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So far, Trump wins open primaries and Cruz wins closed … (Title Shortened)
The Washington Post ^ | 03-02-16 | By Todd Zywicki

Posted on 03/02/2016 6:51:24 AM PST by rwilson99

There have been four closed elections: the Iowa caucus, the Nevada caucus, and Super Tuesday’s Oklahoma primary and Alaska caucus. Ted Cruz won three of those four closed elections.

So here’s where it potentially gets interesting. Although the media are looking forward to March 15, this Saturday (March 5) there are four Republican primaries/caucuses: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana and Maine. All are closed.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: jis4justopenprimary; nevertrumpcruz
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To: Pox

Donald Trump has been outed as a backer of the Democratic Party, giving $100,000 to Hillary Clinton... and more to Schumer, Reid, Rahm etc.

He also gave $124,000 to the Republican National Senatorial Committee.

Trump isn’t just the establishment... he’s financing the establishment for both corrupt parties.


221 posted on 03/02/2016 2:35:26 PM PST by rwilson99 (The choices are Cruz (R) - Constitution or Trump (D) - Planned Parenthood. Choose wisely.)
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To: moehoward

You want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/24/cecile-richards-i-appreciate-donald-trumps-kind-words-about-planned-parenthood/

“Planned Parenthood does some very good work.” - Donald Trump

The currently policy doesn’t allow PP money to directly fund abortion... Trump will do nothing, just like Paul Ryan did nothing to stop underwriting the Planned Parenthood abortion business by allowing them to scam the American Taxpayers by giving out condoms at a 900% markup.


222 posted on 03/02/2016 2:39:12 PM PST by rwilson99 (The choices are Cruz (R) - Constitution or Trump (D) - Planned Parenthood. Choose wisely.)
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To: HamiltonJay

No one will be better at GOTV than Ted Cruz.

Trump will sit back and rely on free media and good feelings... and go down in flames like McCain (bad) and Romeny (who somehow did worse)


223 posted on 03/02/2016 2:40:46 PM PST by rwilson99 (The choices are Cruz (R) - Constitution or Trump (D) - Planned Parenthood. Choose wisely.)
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To: rwilson99

Never said your facts were incorrect, I implied the implications you are attempting to derive from them are.

Get back at me next Wednesday and we can review your suppositions vs the reality that comes to pass.


224 posted on 03/02/2016 2:58:33 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: rwilson99

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/25/donald-trump-blasts-abortion-roe-v-wade-started-a-culture-of-death-killing-over-50-million-people/

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/01/mike-huckabee-defends-donald-trumps-abortion-conversion-he-is-pro-life-now/

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/01/26/donald-trump-on-abortion-im-pro-life/


225 posted on 03/02/2016 3:05:26 PM PST by moehoward
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To: rwilson99

We’ve all read the drivel you and your brethren have posted here repeatedly.

We’ve taken all of it into consideration, an we’ve decided who to back. Sorry you don’t like it.

No need for you to continually bleat your disapproval. In fact, such behavior only hardens our stance, and has in fact helped some people like me decide to forget liking Cruz at all. Your behavior isn’t the primary reason, but it is part of the reason I and others have no respect for Cruz, and no intentions of backing him for any reason.

And to think, Cruz had been my first choice up until a couple of weeks ago. Pity.


226 posted on 03/02/2016 3:57:04 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: CA Conservative; grania
Doesn’t that bode well for Trump’s ability to bring in cross over and independent votes?

They made the same argument when McCain and Romney won the nomination by relying on Dems and independents. How did that work out in the general?

I wonder what today's Trump supporters were saying about Thad Cochran winning his primary with crossover votes?

227 posted on 03/02/2016 6:53:44 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: Pox

That’s a nice narrative you have there... too bad it’s like much of Trump’s campaign and absolutely disassociated with reality.

No one who cares about nominating conservative Supreme Court Justices could have sent money to Hillary Clinton or supported John Kerry in 2004.


228 posted on 03/02/2016 9:34:29 PM PST by rwilson99 (The choices are Cruz (R) - Constitution or Trump (D) - Planned Parenthood. Choose wisely.)
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To: moehoward

After hearing Trump repeatedly defend Planned Parenthood though the last weeks of February... Republican voters, in those states that did not allow liberal democrats to choose our nominee... Rejected Trump overwhelmingly.

In fact... Without Democrats to help him... Donald went 0-3 in the voting.


229 posted on 03/02/2016 9:39:24 PM PST by rwilson99 (The choices are Cruz (R) - Constitution or Trump (D) - Planned Parenthood. Choose wisely.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
They (re: the backstabbers) made the same argument with McCain and Romney about being able to win with crossover votes(paraphrased your statement)

They made the argument as a hypothetical based on NO evidence that they were doing so in the primaries. Trump has been winning over those votes in the primaries. Besides that, there is STATISTICAL evidence that hillary is overwhelmingly unpopular with younger voters.

You're using Cochran as part of your argument? That's bizarre. It wasn't crossover votes choosing to do so to nominate the person. It was those darn backstabbers again, getting people who would never vote for them to defeat a true constitutional conservative in the primaries.

If this nomination is stolen from Trump, Republicans will have difficulty winning so much as local dog catcher.

230 posted on 03/03/2016 2:15:47 AM PST by grania
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To: grania; CA Conservative
"They (re: the backstabbers) made the same argument with McCain and Romney about being able to win with crossover votes(paraphrased your statement)"

"They made the argument as a hypothetical based on NO evidence that they were doing so in the primaries. Trump has been winning over those votes in the primaries. Besides that, there is STATISTICAL evidence that hillary is overwhelmingly unpopular with younger voters."

Pinging CA Conservative, who was discussing McCain and Romney.

231 posted on 03/03/2016 6:04:09 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: grania
[grania:] Doesn’t that bode well for Trump’s ability to bring in cross over and independent votes?

[CA Conservative:] They made the same argument when McCain and Romney won the nomination by relying on Dems and independents. How did that work out in the general?

[ConservingFreedom:] I wonder what today's Trump supporters were saying about Thad Cochran winning his primary with crossover votes?

[grania:] It wasn't crossover votes choosing to do so to nominate the person. It was those darn backstabbers again, getting people who would never vote for them to defeat a true constitutional conservative in the primaries.

Where's the evidence that Trump's margin of victory came from those who intend to vote for him in November? (Hint: rally attendance is weak evidence at best.)

[grania:] If this nomination is stolen from Trump

Holding closed primaries is stealing the nomination from Trump? If not, what's the relevance to this topic of your paranoid fantasy?

232 posted on 03/03/2016 6:10:32 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom

“They made the argument as a hypothetical based on NO evidence that they were doing so in the primaries. Trump has been winning over those votes in the primaries.”

That statement makes no sense. It was only because of the open primaries and the Dems and independents voting for McCain and Romney that they won the nomination. So the evidence they used for their claims is the same evidence the Trump supporters use to support their claim. They wrongly assumed that the Dems and independents that came over to vote for them in the primaries would also vote for them in the general. I think the Trump supporters are making the same wrong assumption.


233 posted on 03/03/2016 6:25:17 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Where's the evidence that Trump's crossover came from those who plan to vote for him in November/

Until Super Tuesday, Sanders was viable. Those who have no intention to vote for Trump had to choose which Dem best represents their view.

In the Cochran situation, it was a runoff when the dems didn't have one, so the mischief makers had nothing better to do for the runoff. The fact that the Republican elite exploited that situation WILL NOT be forgotten, and the anger will explode if the nomination is stolen from Trump. I'm not saying that as a threat. I'm just taking the "given" and trying to hypothesize the most logical conclusion.

FWIW, I'd much rather see closed primaries, at least to the point where an independent who chose a primary couldn't drop out of their new political party the same day. In the case of the Cochran/McDaniel runoff, it's bizarre that it wasn't restricted to those who were registered Republican for the original primary. I'd also like to see an end to early voting, which skews to the status quo and diminishes the effect of events close to election day.

234 posted on 03/03/2016 6:37:28 AM PST by grania
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To: wiseprince
Ted Cruz can win the south in the general. That’s about it. Talk about unlikable

Yep. He'll win the states that anyone with an (R) after their name has absolutely no chance of losing.

What blue states does he turn red? Not even Iowa.

235 posted on 03/03/2016 6:39:28 AM PST by Drew68 ("I Need a Bogel for the Glotch." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v75wCTMZoSY)
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To: CA Conservative; grania
[grania:] They made the argument as a hypothetical based on NO evidence that they were doing so in the primaries. Trump has been winning over those votes in the primaries.

That statement makes no sense. It was only because of the open primaries and the Dems and independents voting for McCain and Romney that they won the nomination. So the evidence they used for their claims is the same evidence the Trump supporters use to support their claim. They wrongly assumed that the Dems and independents that came over to vote for them in the primaries would also vote for them in the general. I think the Trump supporters are making the same wrong assumption.

So tell it to grania. ;-)

236 posted on 03/03/2016 9:00:06 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: grania
Where's the evidence that Trump's crossover came from those who plan to vote for him in November

Until Super Tuesday, Sanders was viable. Those who have no intention to vote for Trump had to choose which Dem best represents their view.

That's speculation not evidence. And one could equally well speculate that Dem voters thought (rightly or wrongly) that Trump with his high negatives was so eminently beatable in November that getting him as the Dems' opponent was the highest priority.

237 posted on 03/03/2016 9:03:02 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom; CA Conservative
I thought the evidence was that in 2008 and 2012, dems had large numbers of primary voters, while the Republican voter numbers were way down. That's hardly evidence of a crossover. Besides that, in 2008 dems had to stay in their own primaries because of Obama vs hillary.

As far as Romney goes? He was awesomely powerful and convincing when he was running against conservatives in the Republican primaries. Then he threw the election to Obama.

238 posted on 03/03/2016 9:13:50 AM PST by grania
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To: ConservingFreedom

Your argument makes no sense. Look at Trump’s rallies. A lot of enthusiastic young voters are there.


239 posted on 03/03/2016 9:15:53 AM PST by grania
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To: grania
Where's the evidence that Trump's margin of victory came from those who intend to vote for him in November? (Hint: rally attendance is weak evidence at best.)

Your argument makes no sense. Look at Trump’s rallies. A lot of enthusiastic young voters are there.

Oooh, you didn't take the hint. First of all, very few who attend an air show then go become pilots - many people simply enjoy a crowd and a spectacle. Second, you haven't even done so little as show that the rally numbers compare to the vote differentials.

240 posted on 03/03/2016 10:27:03 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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