Posted on 03/04/2016 9:55:37 AM PST by King of Florida
A case challenging the eligibility of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to run for president will be heard in Broward County court at 11 a.m. Friday.
The crux of the case: the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" and how it applies to the two Republican senators. Rubio was born in Miami in 1971 to Cuban immigrants who became citizens a few years later. Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban-born father and American mother, who moved to Texas when Cruz was four.
"These two candidates are naturalized U.S. citizens, or at the very least, simply fail to comply with the common law Supreme Court established definition of natural born citizen," wrote Michael Voeltz in his court complaint.
Voeltz, a Broward Republican and inventory manager at a car dealership who is representing himself, wants the candidates’ names withdrawn from the Florida March 15 primary ballot.
(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...
Vattel (speaking of non-citizens) has less constitutional authority here than some nearly irrelevant small claims court in the Bronx.
Ted Cruz is probably the only knowledgeable constitutional conservative running. Rubio, maybe. Kasich likely not. The Donald, well....
Sorry, but your reply to me is nonsensical.
NO ONE’S citizenship status in the United States can be compromised by a foreign country’s laws. If you are correct and a foreign country’s laws could affect the citizenship status of an American citizen, then Trump would potentially be suspect for the same reason - his eligibility for British citizenship under their laws.
That’s a patent absurdity, and no American would stand for it. Same with Cruz. Canada’s laws are not relevant to us.
Cruz is a natural born citizen directly from the circumstances of his birth. End of story.
No comment re. Rubio.
“A “Natural Born Citizen” of the USA as defined by the Founders in The Federalist Papers is a child born in America to a father who is himself a “Natural Born” citizen of the USA.”
Bull patootie. No such definition exists in the Federalist Papers or anywhere else for that matter.
Yet another widely held, but entirely erroneous belief.
It's wearing thin.
As another poster has pointed out to you, there was no such ruling by an Illinois judge. The Cook County Circuit Court judge dismissed the objection on the technicality that the objector, Joyce, had not properly served the documents that he filed as required by Illinois law and regulations. In short, no decision on eligibility was ever reached and, therefore, no decision that Cruz is eligible under the Constitution was made.
You are correct that the Constitution mentions two and only two types of Citizenship: Natural Born and Naturalized.
Since Cruz is not naturalized, then he must, ipso facto, be natural born.
The fact is that for the Founders, there was no difference between natural born and citizen by birth.
They were and remain the same thing. You are trying to inflate an imaginary ballon of a third type of citizenship. It does not exist.
Joe Biden is a long-time US Senator and now in his 8th year as VPOTUS. Having tried to stop Reagan and Dubya from appointing SCOTUS justices, he has now had an op-ed published by the New York Slimes saying that the Senate MUST vote on Obozo nominations. Does his op-ed have standing in constitutional arguments? Persuasive? Probably not but remotely maybe. Likewise Vattel who was not even an American at all.
You REALLY, REALLY, REALLY believe in YOUR narrow definition of NBC. Many of us and virtually all of our courts disagree with you. But....
"PERIOD. End of factual portion of discussion. Do your homework!" Translated, you meant to say: AGREE with me, peasant, I am the almighty ME and will not brook disagreement!
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/
VIDEO: THIS is why Cruz and Rubio didn’t attempt to have a court decide their eligibility in the past. They would have been ruled ineligible!
Ping to #48
Seen this video, watched it twice. Poorly reasoned, bad grasp of history, flawed conclusion.
With all due respect, where is there a case by a judge in New Hampshire judge deciding that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen under the Constitution. According to the local New Hampshire news the elections board there decided that they only had jurisdiction to decide upon the conformity of Cruz’ papers with the filing requirements and indicated that it would take a court to decide the constitutional eligibility question regarding Senator Cruz. If there is an actual court decision where can it be read?
My mother was born in Kentucky and my father was born in Massachusetts. My father's father was born in England and my father's mother was born in Ireland at Cork. My mother's mother was born in Kentucky and her father was born in Canada. I was born in Connecticut. I am a natural born citizen as were both of my parents. Each of us three were born IN the USA and that is enough. As a third generation American of English and Irish ancestry, I am eligible for British citizenship and/or Irish citizenship upon demand and proof of ancestry. If I don't exercise that eligibility, it expires and is not available to my descendants. If I do, it is. I haven't. So what?
You have a basic misunderstanding of what naturally means.
One is naturally a US citizen when there is no other alternative.
I have a complete and comprehensive understanding of the meaning of 'natural' and 'naturally'.
One is naturally a US citizen when there is no other alternative.
Here is a persuasive demonstration that you do not know what 'naturally' means, unless you think that there can be no more than one natural alternative. That might be true - or it might not, but it is certainly not implied by the term 'naturally' or 'natural'.
One might even come to the conclusion that you are engaging in circular reasoning.
It’s the Constitution. Sorry you believe it is poorly reasoned, a bad grasp of history, and a flawed conclusion.
I would like to hear your basis for the above statements from the video contents.
We can then discuss the items that we differ on.
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/
If you are NBC = No “extra sauce” needed.
If you need “extra sauce” to prove citizenship = NATURALIZED not NBC
It really is just THAT SIMPLE!!
Winston Churchill's mother was an American citizen born in Brooklyn, New York. Were the Founders trying to keep Winston Churchill from being sworn in as POTUS if he had decided to exercise his American citizenship rather than his British citizenship acquired from his father?
What we have ignored, consistent with our courts, is the curious notion that NBC means two American citizen parents AND birth in the United States.
The Birther claims can be summed up as: Look, over there! It's a squirrel!!! Pay no attention to Obozo behind the curtain stealing all of your liberties, ruining the military, grabbing your guns, killing babies!!!! There's a squirrel on the loose.
Why would the Congress have bestowed “Honorary Citizenship” upon a natural born citizen?
It is preposterous to think the founders would think Winston Churchill eligible.
Congress bestowed honorary on Winston Churchil because he was no kind of US citizen, much less natural born.
Cruz owes his citizenship to the Naturalization Act of 1952.
In earlier times he would have been no kind of US citizen, too.
Well, that might be a bit over the top... but an astute translation nonetheless. I will stipulate that, while I may well be in error, I will never admit it. Ever.
As you were, son. Your work here is done, and rather well at that.
;^)
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