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Reid: 'Snobbery of the Founding Fathers' to Blame For Presidential Nominating Process
NewsBusters.org ^ | March 15, 2016 | Matthew Balan

Posted on 03/15/2016 4:58:55 PM PDT by Kaslin

On Monday's All In, MSNBC's Joy Ann oddly asserted that "what could end up saving the Republican Party" from a Donald Trump nomination is "the snobbery of the Founding Fathers and the early proponents of the system, because the popular vote...doesn't choose the nominee. It's chosen at the state conventions. It's chosen by party insiders." Reid might have been thinking of the Electoral College system, where the voters in each state choose electors, who then vote for a specific nominee for president. [video below]

Host Chris Hayes turned to Reid and Buzzfeed News's McKay Coppins for their take on the upcoming primaries on Tuesday. Hayes cited how American Prospect's Sam Wong claimed that "[Marco] Rubio drops out and [John] Kasich stays in may be Trump's best option...counterintuitively, it is worse for Trump to win Ohio, since that would likely cause Kasich to withdraw. In that scenario, Trump would be left in a one-on-one match with Cruz."

Reid: 'Snobbery of Founding Fathers' to Blame For Presidential Nominating Process

Coppins largely agreed with Wong's analysis: "There is a good case to be made...if Ted Cruz and Trump [go] one-on-one...Trump would actually do fairly poorly against him...you'll see a lot of the Republican Party rally around Cruz." However, he continued that "it's still a stretch. I still think you want as many delegates away from Trump as possible."

Reid then gave her "snobbery of the Founding Fathers" line, and added that "where the empire can strike back is at a convention — so if that's your scenario — that you're going to deny Trump the nomination by trading delegates — you want Kasich in....Cruz being in means he can still go back to Iowa and still be messing with who are going to be the delegates."

The transcript of the relevant portion of the Coppins/Reid segment from MSNBC's All In With Chris Hayes on March 14, 2016:

CHRIS HAYES: Sam Wong, who runs modeling on this for the American Prospect, basically says, 'In which [Marco] Rubio drops out and [John] Kasich stays — stays in, may be Trump's best option;' that 'counterintuitively, it is worse for Trump to win Ohio, since that would likely cause Kasich to withdraw. In that scenario, Trump would be left in a one-on-one match with Cruz.' Do you buy that?

MCKAY COPPINS, SR. POLITICAL WRITE, BUZZFEED NEWS: There — there's a solid case to be made. And, by the way, you can — you can see that Trump has tried for months to keep a lot of these — these candidates in by, sort of, like, helping them out in attacking other ones, saying — you know, Rubio is right about Ted Cruz lying; or Ted Cruz is right about Rubio doing this.

There is a good case to be made that if — you know, if Ted Cruz — if Ted Cruz and Trump one-on-one, that Trump would actually do fairly poorly against him; that because he hasn't hit 50 percent, Trump, in very many primaries — you know, you'll see a lot of the Republican Party rally around Cruz.

That said, it's still a stretch. I still think you want — you want as many delegates away from Trump as possible.

JOY REID: And I think because — you know, what could end up saving the Republican Party is, sort of, the snobbery of the Founding Fathers and the early proponents of — of the system, because — because the popular vote does not elect the nominee — or doesn't choose the nominee. It's chosen at the state conventions. It's chosen by party insiders. So where the empire can strike back is at a convention — so if that's your scenario — that you're going to deny Trump the nomination by trading delegates — you want Kasich in. You actually want him there, because you want him actively horse trading — because remember: Cruz being in means he can still go back to Iowa and still be messing with who are going to be the delegates.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: clueless; dumbliberal; joyreid
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1 posted on 03/15/2016 4:58:55 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It’s not snobbery, fool. It’s called a Republic.


2 posted on 03/15/2016 5:02:14 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Kaslin

Harry, I hope your exercise equipment beats you up again for that comment.


3 posted on 03/15/2016 5:02:42 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Kaslin

The Constitution still baffles them.


4 posted on 03/15/2016 5:02:50 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: Kaslin
"...It's chosen by party insiders."

I wonder how fast Reid will walk that landmine back

5 posted on 03/15/2016 5:03:24 PM PDT by blueplum (March 11, 2016 - the day the First Amendment died?)
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To: Kaslin

sounds like yet another total failure of the public schools system


6 posted on 03/15/2016 5:03:27 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: ConservativeMind

LOL! Another stupid Democrat named “Reid!”


7 posted on 03/15/2016 5:03:27 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Kaslin

The Electoral College was created to prevent a heavily populated state from always choosing who would be president. It allowed two or three less populated states to block them. Can you imagine NY,CA,IL, FL, etc to always pick the president? It’s the difference between a democracy and a republic. An example would be two wolves and a sheep deciding on what’s for dinner (democracy) but in a republic the sheep would have two votes and the wolves one each.


8 posted on 03/15/2016 5:05:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: ConservativeMind

Stupid and totally clueless


9 posted on 03/15/2016 5:05:53 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed theThe l ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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10 posted on 03/15/2016 5:06:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Talisker

They’re scared shittiless of Trump!


11 posted on 03/15/2016 5:07:57 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Kaslin

Reid had better get down on his knees every day and thank God for the Founding Fathers. Otherwise a retarded individual such as himself could never hold office.


12 posted on 03/15/2016 5:08:03 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When Cruz aligns himself with Ayers, Sanders, Soros, and MSM, he's one of them.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Yup. And I bet Harry is jealous he didn’t come up with that. LOL.


13 posted on 03/15/2016 5:09:35 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: Kaslin

There’s no need to debate the wisdom of the electoral college in this context because it has nothing to do with nominations. The founding fathers didn’t even envision the emergence of parties let alone nominating primaries or conventions so the question of whether they were snobs or not has nothing to do with whatever it is she is talking about.


14 posted on 03/15/2016 5:10:03 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: MayflowerMadam

Better Re-read that article. Joy said this, not Dingy Harry.


15 posted on 03/15/2016 5:10:18 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Lazamataz for President 2016)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, blame it on those old white slave owners.


16 posted on 03/15/2016 5:11:07 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Kaslin

can you know, if, like....you know...this woman...you know...like....string together a whole coherent sentence?


17 posted on 03/15/2016 5:11:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Kaslin
Idiot not only confuses the electoral college with political conventions, she obviously has no idea why the electoral college was created.

This is what passes for "political commentary" in 2016.

18 posted on 03/15/2016 5:13:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kaslin

One could say the same thing about the Democrats nominating (Buying) Hillary Clinton. We’ve never had a candidate buy their nomination through paying off the Party HQ debt. Kind of like what Banana Republicans do


19 posted on 03/15/2016 5:13:17 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: Kaslin

We are not homogeneous. We are a representative republic.
The states, if we didn’t have a two party system, would certainly be exerting their rightful power.

Senators never should have become elected. I would be all about repealing that disastrous amendment.


20 posted on 03/15/2016 5:25:19 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Trump 2016! Mabelkitty - Unengaged and Low Information Voter since 2000!)
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