Posted on 03/15/2016 4:58:55 PM PDT by Kaslin
On Monday's All In, MSNBC's Joy Ann oddly asserted that "what could end up saving the Republican Party" from a Donald Trump nomination is "the snobbery of the Founding Fathers and the early proponents of the system, because the popular vote...doesn't choose the nominee. It's chosen at the state conventions. It's chosen by party insiders." Reid might have been thinking of the Electoral College system, where the voters in each state choose electors, who then vote for a specific nominee for president. [video below]
Host Chris Hayes turned to Reid and Buzzfeed News's McKay Coppins for their take on the upcoming primaries on Tuesday. Hayes cited how American Prospect's Sam Wong claimed that "[Marco] Rubio drops out and [John] Kasich stays in may be Trump's best option...counterintuitively, it is worse for Trump to win Ohio, since that would likely cause Kasich to withdraw. In that scenario, Trump would be left in a one-on-one match with Cruz."
Reid: 'Snobbery of Founding Fathers' to Blame For Presidential Nominating Process
Coppins largely agreed with Wong's analysis: "There is a good case to be made...if Ted Cruz and Trump [go] one-on-one...Trump would actually do fairly poorly against him...you'll see a lot of the Republican Party rally around Cruz." However, he continued that "it's still a stretch. I still think you want as many delegates away from Trump as possible."
Reid then gave her "snobbery of the Founding Fathers" line, and added that "where the empire can strike back is at a convention — so if that's your scenario — that you're going to deny Trump the nomination by trading delegates — you want Kasich in....Cruz being in means he can still go back to Iowa and still be messing with who are going to be the delegates."
The transcript of the relevant portion of the Coppins/Reid segment from MSNBC's All In With Chris Hayes on March 14, 2016:
CHRIS HAYES: Sam Wong, who runs modeling on this for the American Prospect, basically says, 'In which [Marco] Rubio drops out and [John] Kasich stays — stays in, may be Trump's best option;' that 'counterintuitively, it is worse for Trump to win Ohio, since that would likely cause Kasich to withdraw. In that scenario, Trump would be left in a one-on-one match with Cruz.' Do you buy that?
MCKAY COPPINS, SR. POLITICAL WRITE, BUZZFEED NEWS: There — there's a solid case to be made. And, by the way, you can — you can see that Trump has tried for months to keep a lot of these — these candidates in by, sort of, like, helping them out in attacking other ones, saying — you know, Rubio is right about Ted Cruz lying; or Ted Cruz is right about Rubio doing this.
There is a good case to be made that if — you know, if Ted Cruz — if Ted Cruz and Trump one-on-one, that Trump would actually do fairly poorly against him; that because he hasn't hit 50 percent, Trump, in very many primaries — you know, you'll see a lot of the Republican Party rally around Cruz.
That said, it's still a stretch. I still think you want — you want as many delegates away from Trump as possible.
JOY REID: And I think because — you know, what could end up saving the Republican Party is, sort of, the snobbery of the Founding Fathers and the early proponents of — of the system, because — because the popular vote does not elect the nominee — or doesn't choose the nominee. It's chosen at the state conventions. It's chosen by party insiders. So where the empire can strike back is at a convention — so if that's your scenario — that you're going to deny Trump the nomination by trading delegates — you want Kasich in. You actually want him there, because you want him actively horse trading — because remember: Cruz being in means he can still go back to Iowa and still be messing with who are going to be the delegates.
It’s not snobbery, fool. It’s called a Republic.
Harry, I hope your exercise equipment beats you up again for that comment.
The Constitution still baffles them.
I wonder how fast Reid will walk that landmine back
sounds like yet another total failure of the public schools system
LOL! Another stupid Democrat named “Reid!”
The Electoral College was created to prevent a heavily populated state from always choosing who would be president. It allowed two or three less populated states to block them. Can you imagine NY,CA,IL, FL, etc to always pick the president? It’s the difference between a democracy and a republic. An example would be two wolves and a sheep deciding on what’s for dinner (democracy) but in a republic the sheep would have two votes and the wolves one each.
Stupid and totally clueless
They’re scared shittiless of Trump!
Reid had better get down on his knees every day and thank God for the Founding Fathers. Otherwise a retarded individual such as himself could never hold office.
Yup. And I bet Harry is jealous he didn’t come up with that. LOL.
There’s no need to debate the wisdom of the electoral college in this context because it has nothing to do with nominations. The founding fathers didn’t even envision the emergence of parties let alone nominating primaries or conventions so the question of whether they were snobs or not has nothing to do with whatever it is she is talking about.
Better Re-read that article. Joy said this, not Dingy Harry.
Yeah, blame it on those old white slave owners.
can you know, if, like....you know...this woman...you know...like....string together a whole coherent sentence?
This is what passes for "political commentary" in 2016.
One could say the same thing about the Democrats nominating (Buying) Hillary Clinton. We’ve never had a candidate buy their nomination through paying off the Party HQ debt. Kind of like what Banana Republicans do
We are not homogeneous. We are a representative republic.
The states, if we didn’t have a two party system, would certainly be exerting their rightful power.
Senators never should have become elected. I would be all about repealing that disastrous amendment.
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