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19 Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Make You Weep
Business Insider ^ | 9/27/10 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 03/20/2016 2:57:17 PM PDT by central_va

The United States is rapidly becoming the very first "post-industrial" nation on the globe. All great economic empires eventually become fat and lazy and squander the great wealth that their forefathers have left them, but the pace at which America is accomplishing this is absolutely amazing. It was America that was at the forefront of the industrial revolution.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deindustrialization; economy; free; globullists; postindustrial; suck; traitors; uscrisis
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To: tacticalogic
Not for the wheat farmers. In the meantime, the Chinese found a loophole, and are doing 80% of the assembly work in China and sending sub-assemblies some third-party country we don't haven't imposed a tariff on for final assembly.

Tariffs are for all products form all countries nto just for imported Chinese goods..

141 posted on 03/20/2016 5:43:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Better than you who would defang the USA leaving us a paper tiger with no sustainable industrial base. Back at you.


142 posted on 03/20/2016 5:44:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

We’re only defanged because we let ourselves be defanged. We p!ss away hundreds of billions of dollars on military campaigns all over the planet, yet we can’t even muster the political will to hold back an invasion of tens of millions of unarmed Latin Americans.


143 posted on 03/20/2016 5:46:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Ajnin
So let’s increase the tariffs. Because we need to pay more money for cheap shit...Yeah!

Forget protectionism, a 20% tariff would easily balance the budget tomorrow. All you deficit hawks take note.

144 posted on 03/20/2016 5:47:04 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Tariffs are for all products form all countries nto just for imported Chinese goods..

Invest in cigarette boats.

145 posted on 03/20/2016 5:47:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“Do you really think a U.S. manufacturer would sell it for less than $119.99?”

Depends on how bad they want to dominate the market- if the domestic manufacturers sell for a lower price, they can make up for it in volume and soon put the foreign producers out of the domestic market altogether since demand will accrue to the lower price.


146 posted on 03/20/2016 5:48:04 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher
Why couldn't the foreign manufacturer do the same thing?

That's basically what happened in the early 2000s when the U.S. imposed a tariff on Canadian softwood lumber. With the tariff in place, the big Canadian lumber producers changed their operations to run more efficiently, so they were still able to sell lumber cheaper than their U.S. competitors even with the tariff in place.

As is often the case, a tariff ends up simply protecting a domestic industry that is too outdated or lazy to compete on its own.

147 posted on 03/20/2016 5:51:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: GenXteacher
Depends on how bad they want to dominate the market- if the domestic manufacturers sell for a lower price, they can make up for it in volume and soon put the foreign producers out of the domestic market altogether since demand will accrue to the lower price.

That is how all the other countries play the game. We need to learn how to play and win for once.

148 posted on 03/20/2016 5:52:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Alberta's Child
As is often the case, a tariff ends up simply protecting a domestic industry that is too outdated or lazy to compete on its own.

But even in this example the tariff produced a beneficial out come. A more efficient system. Again another win for tariffs!

149 posted on 03/20/2016 5:55:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Baloney. For one thing, the tariff was overturned in every international trade court that issued a ruling on the dispute. The U.S. ended up paying most of the tariff back to Canada, and in exchange the Canadian government changed the way they charged lumber producers for cutting timber on public lands (this was the basis of the U.S. tariff).

More importantly ... One of the important things that happened as a result of that tariff was that Canadian lumber producers began buying mills here in the U.S. -- to give themselves some flexibility to deal with these trade disputes in the future. Canadian lumber companies owned 2 mills in the U.S. in the early 2000s, and own more than 40 right now.

Like I said ... protecting a domestic industry that is too outdated or lazy to compete on its own isn't going to change the basic laws of economics.

150 posted on 03/20/2016 6:01:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Alberta's Child

They can if they wish anyway, and do now. Many of the nations we trade with have extensive barriers to protect their domestic economies.

“As is often the case, a tariff ends up simply protecting a domestic industry that is too outdated or lazy to compete on its own.”
Or, to protect domestic industry from competition by state-owned and supported work forces that are paid pennies on the hour by their slavemasters, which is even more often the case.


151 posted on 03/20/2016 6:08:52 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Alberta's Child; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
Baloney. For one thing, the tariff was overturned in every international trade court that issued a ruling on the dispute. The U.S. ended up paying most of the tariff back to Canada, and in exchange the Canadian government changed the way they charged lumber producers for cutting timber on public lands (this was the basis of the U.S. tariff). More importantly ... One of the important things that happened as a result of that tariff was that Canadian lumber producers began buying mills here in the U.S. -- to give themselves some flexibility to deal with these trade disputes in the future. Canadian lumber companies owned 2 mills in the U.S. in the early 2000s, and own more than 40 right now. Like I said ... protecting a domestic industry that is too outdated or lazy to compete on its own isn't going to change the basic laws of economics.

The details you provided have given you away. You are clearly a consultant and free trade professional. Perhaps you work on K St as a lobbyist. Who pays you to post on Free Republic?

Does free Republic let professional lobbyist post here? Do they pay FR for the privilege? What average citizen knows that much about Canadian lumber tariffs and it's detailed history?

I am fine with it as long as we get full disclosure.

152 posted on 03/20/2016 6:09:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GenXteacher
Depends on how bad they want to dominate the market- if the domestic manufacturers sell for a lower price, they can make up for it in volume and soon put the foreign producers out of the domestic market altogether since demand will accrue to the lower price.

Uhhh, tell me how that has worked for the sugar industry. In fact, Archer Daniels Midland has become an agricultural giant (and the primary force behind big-ag political payoffs and anti-competitive FDA regulations) because the tariff on sugar killed domestic sugar production, making the much less health high-fructose corn syrup the primary ingredient in many products (like soft drinks) that originally contained sugar. Far from "saving" sugar, high tariffs killed it.

The problem most anti-free trade folks have is that reality doesn't obey simple black-and-white principles. Sometimes results are mixed, or the same thing that works one place is a disaster in another.

One thing's for sure, I hope you don't "teach" economics....

153 posted on 03/20/2016 6:16:50 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Agriculture and manufacturing are different beasts. This only confuses the discussion about import tariffs on durable goods.


154 posted on 03/20/2016 6:18:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DoodleDawg

He can do anything.

Trump the Magnificent! Trump the Almighty!!! All Hail the Great Trump!!!


155 posted on 03/20/2016 6:20:35 PM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: central_va

So we raise tariffs and nothing happens?


156 posted on 03/20/2016 6:22:16 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: central_va
The details you provided have given you away. You are clearly a consultant and free trade professional.

So your defense here is that you are ignorant of the facts, and that anyone who isn't must be a party to the subject at hand? There's a winning strategy. If you aren't ignorant (like you), you're a shill.

So anyone who knew the facts of the Treyvon Martin case must have been a cop? Anyone who knows about Hillary Clinton's email lies must work in the State Dept.? Anyone who can explain the FBI vs Apple case works for one or the other?

Quite frankly, I can't imagine anyone who would be a more desirable opponent for a free-trade advocate to have than you are. You make even the good arguments for tariffs seem stupid...

157 posted on 03/20/2016 6:23:38 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: central_va

The poison that is killing our industrial base is the government....PERIOD!

Go back to 1950 and measure the stack of government regulations that pertained to business, employment, safety and everything else that was not the government’s business; then compare it to the stack today.

The analysis is very, very definitive.

The “cancer” is well identified and can be cured by the right man at the helm of government with the support of the people........before it is too late to do anything about it.


158 posted on 03/20/2016 6:24:09 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Have noticed he has gone dark?


159 posted on 03/20/2016 6:24:16 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
You make even the good arguments for tariffs seem stupid...

Really, go for it dude. List the "stupid" reasons.

160 posted on 03/20/2016 6:25:33 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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