Posted on 04/06/2016 3:09:16 AM PDT by John W
I love Thomas Sowell, but MOST Republicans have voted Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, etc.
Donald Trump has gotten more votes in the Republican primary or caucus season than any other candidate. He has done this without a strong ground or party organization.
What frustrates me the most is that people who are anti Trump usually are not pro anyone else they merely denigrate the front-runner.
Often, but not always, they are the same people who demanded that we support John McCain and Mitt Romney for president. I did support both and I sent money to both.
They’re also the people who have promised to fight Obama on every front and have fought him on nearly none. There really is frustration growing in the Grass Roots and the sooner the leadership recognizes that and address it in a proper manner, they will get respect. Until then, they’re probably going to continue to languish in the polls and in the hearts and minds of the voters.
I for one am tired of hearing rhetoric and not seeing action. Ted Cruz for all his faults, at least spoke out strongly and stood his ground for a good period of time when it came to fighting Obamacare.
Donald Trump is saying the right things and it’s infuriating enough people that are in the establishment that I believe he may end up fighting against the establishment and listening to the voters. My problem with Trump is that he is too much of a pragmatist. He will do or say whatever works even if it is not necessarily the proper way to do it and I for one do not believe that the ends justify the means.
The problem is, that the leadership in the party has not even done the right thing and that is why we are where we are.
Whatever happens, I am going for the most electable Conservative candidate which in all likelihood will be the Republican nominee whoever that may be.
“There is a reason why the rules require a candidate for the nomination to receive a majority of the delegates. If you cannot even get a majority of the delegates in your own party, how can you expect to win the November election for president?”
How long do you think it’s going to take them to figure out that the whole Republican Party is being exposed? I know I can’t be the only member who is questioning what being a member of the Republican Party really means. The Party leader has told me that if I don’t like the way they’re performing to “sit down”. Well, I don’t like their lies, their arrogance, their poor performance or their complete surrender to the Obama Administration. However, I don’t think I’ll be “sitting down.” Quite the contrary.
Great point!
BTW, where’s Heidi Cruz been hiding?
So what?
Unless Cruz pretty much runs the table from here on out (or has a practically perfect, ahem, ground game), Trump is still the guy with the easiest path to 1237. If he gets there, he’s the nominee. Period. End of story. If not, again, unless Cruz has the race of his dreams from here to Cleveland, Trump is going to be the guy with the plurality. I need a more compelling reason for him not to be awarded the nomination on that basis than “because Donald Trump”. Because he was Donald Trump, with all that implies, and people knew, and they still voted for him as the nominee. And “But majority!” goes right out the window the minute people start considering the candidates who couldn’t beat him in the primary campaign or didn’t even try. Which is, like it or not, exactly what you’re contemplating. I hope nobody is stupid enough to try the “because murderous tyrant” argument. The Donald is not Adolf Hitler. The Donald is not even David Duke. The Donald is more Mel Brooks as Louis XVI from “History of the World, Part I”. I repeat: People know this. And it’s barely slowed him down, let alone stopped him.
When Republicans vote in the primaries/cauci, I normally expect them to honor those decisions, and the resulting decision at the convention, even if by a plurality, even if they don’t like them, because I believe that unlike the other guys, the GOP is the party of responsible adult men and women. Or I did. This election cycle is really making me reconsider that.
“I’m voting for the nominees versus whomever the dems put up.”
Well, good for you. If Cruz is the nominee, then Hillary will love you forever.
“What they (Trump haters) don’t realize is they risk the support of these people should Cruz ever get the nomination.”
Sadly, that ship has sailed. When we, and Trump, were accused of being pro-KKK by Cruzite FReepers, it was over for me. Never Cruz.
“A sign of our times I never thought FR would succumb to.”
Well, grab those pearls and clutch ‘em tightly. It’ll help with your angst issues. I, too, never thought FR would succumb to this, i.e., supporting a Canadian for President of the U.S. But it is what it is.
Party loyalists who do what they are told by their betters and eat what they are served by their masters.
The people who say they will vote for felon demonstrated political incompetent and corrupt “ Benghazi” Hillary Clinton rather than the independent outsider Trump because he is “ vulgar”
What is more vulgar than selling your govt influence to the highest or lowest bidder, lying to a Benghazi mother beside the coffin of her son or denying personhood to a fetus only hours from birth
Yup I want the logic of their Conservative purism - not
This this this
“Reminder: Most Republicans Have Voted against Trump” but more have voted against Cruz. Following this logic no Republican could win, but that is the aim of National Review as it goes out of business.
Good point, RC one
Remember the Reagan Democrats.
“You Trumper thumpers all think you’re some kind of revolutionaries”
You flunkies in the Cruz Cucks Clan think you aren’t Gope tools, and it is pathetic at this point watching you all still try to put on some tough guy front as if you aren’t Romney’s more than willing mistress.
“I never considered myself witty or urbane.”
Your handle is “Haiku Guy” and you don’t consider yourself witty or urbane? Please...
Or, you people (if any of you aren’t actually bots) will get your way and nominate a candidate that wouldn’t be able to withstand 1/10 of the incoming that Trump has to deal with on a daily basis.
But someone did a poll while everyone’s treating Cruz with kid gloves and that means he’ll win the general, right?
You people are a bunch of drooling morons. If it wasn’t so damned important to the country, I’d be in favor of letting you idiots have your way and watch you get hoisted on your own petard in the biggest electoral loss since Goldwater.
Reminder - Trump has more votes than any other candidate. TRUMP !!
“Cruz has been revealed as the insider he always has been. He duped the conservatives pretty well. Now he is allied with the same Bush people...”
Remember that Cruz isn’t just “now” allying with Bush and Bush people. He and Heidi were top-rung players in W’s campaign; that’s where they met. Cruz ALWAYS has been a GOPe insider.
Go Trump!
“a guy who said he hates the concept of guns,”
Because all people who “hate the concept of guns” have had concealed carry permits for decades. Pay attention.
This from someone that has 'rovian' in his screen name. You've literally got GOPe written all over you.
This is the problem with you Trumper thumpers. You're so invested in this carpetbagger that you become absolutely hysterical when your idol is criticized. You people are unhinged.
Trump worship precludes any ability to think objectively.
Of course, it makes perfect sense for a party to nominate someone who has majority support of its members. Not the one with the most support, but the one who can gain majority support. After all, we'd like our candidate to have majority support of all voters in the general. If we start with a guy who can't even get half of us, how is that rational?
If the rule is that the "largest plurality" wins the nomination, then you will see a guy with 22% win in a field of 5 candidates. And he will be in favor of some crazy idea like pro-Planned Parenthood or punitive tariffs. And the majority of the party will hate those ideas, but be expected to donate time and money to see that those ideas win?
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