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Why uncertainty about climate change is not our friend
Washington Post ^ | April 7, 2016 | by Chris Mooney

Posted on 04/07/2016 12:03:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

For a long time, there's been one key part of the Earth system that, just maybe, could help us out a little bit with our global warming problem: Clouds.

Clouds are central to the climate because their white surfaces reflect sunlight back to space, keeping the planet cooler than it would be otherwise.

But if you change the ratio of water to ice, you also change the strength of the feedback. And based on recent satellite observations, Tan and her colleagues - from Yale and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory - argue that water has a higher prevalence in these clouds than many climate models assume or allow for. Their water content is "severely underestimated on a global scale" in such models, they write.

If the satellite observations are right, that means that as the climate warms, there will be less ice in these clouds to convert to liquid - and thus, less sunlight that will be reflected away from the Earth, leaving behind a warmer Earth.

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KEYWORDS: climategate; hoax; journalism; socialism
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1 posted on 04/07/2016 12:03:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BS BS BS


2 posted on 04/07/2016 12:05:51 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There’s no uncertainty about “climate change” among the frauds pushing it. If they really believed in it, they wouldn’t live as they do.


3 posted on 04/07/2016 12:07:02 PM PDT by henkster
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Why uncertainty about climate change is not our friend

Notice how the first thing they do is manipulate the language? They speak of "Climate Change" as though it is a given, (Meaning Man-caused global warming) rather than a very strongly disputed assertion emanating from Liberal money interests.

They do the same thing with Abortion (choice) and Baby (Fetus) and Homosexuality (discrimination) and virtually every issue we fight with them over.

Did they not own the media, they wouldn't be allowed to select terms that favor their position in the discussion.

.... and they would lose.

4 posted on 04/07/2016 12:07:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m certain it’s a hoax.


5 posted on 04/07/2016 12:08:49 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Abort Hillary - again)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Using climate as a political control tool will be noted as one of the top deceptions of our age.


6 posted on 04/07/2016 12:09:02 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I am not suffering from uncertainty.
7 posted on 04/07/2016 12:09:42 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Clouds act as insulation in the atmosphere. Cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights as the clouds hold radiant heat from the earth in rather than allowing it to move up into the atmosphere. This new “study” by a graduate student at Yale simply offers the latest fad theory or hypothesis with no kind of proof either way. In essence this study claims that the computer models that have been repeatedly demonstrated to exaggerate the extent of “climate change” are instead understating future climate change.


8 posted on 04/07/2016 12:11:14 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

[[For a long time, there’s been one key part of the Earth system that, just maybe, could help us out a little bit with our global warming problem:]]

There’s a ‘problem’ with the climate? Really? Why? What is the climate ‘supposed to be’? We’ve had ice ages, we’ve had hot periods- much warmer than today- what is the climate ‘supposed to be’?


9 posted on 04/07/2016 12:17:08 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sitting in my backyard with a screwdriver and cigar once a week, I’ve actually witnessed aircraft contrails becoming various ~30,000 foot cloud types, depending on the conditions aloft.


10 posted on 04/07/2016 12:19:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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“Sitting in my backyard with a screwdriver.....”

Don’t do it buddy, you have your whole life ahead of you!


11 posted on 04/07/2016 12:23:57 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well if there actually were a PROBLEM, that might be something to consider. As it is, I’ll just stick with “It’s freakin’ weather dumbasses.”


12 posted on 04/07/2016 12:32:19 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Can one of these supposed “experts” point out a time in the history of this planet when the changes in climate-not to mention the weather-were not “uncertain”...


13 posted on 04/07/2016 12:32:34 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Saw a TRAVELTALKS short film from MGM on TCM about Glacier and Waterton Parks.

In it the narrator states the glaciers have been receding since the last Ice Age and will be gone in about one thousand years IF there is NO “climatic change”.

This film was made in 1942, seventy four years ago.


14 posted on 04/07/2016 12:52:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: OrangeHoof
I’m certain it’s a hoax.

Follow the money.

If MMGW was real, algore would be living in a 3000 sq. ft. house, and flying 1st class instead of his own private jet.

Just a coincidence it is a commie front movement to redistribute wealth, also?

15 posted on 04/07/2016 1:03:51 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Ted Cruz was the man!)
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To: oh8eleven

BS indeed. I am certain that climate change is natural and that no amount of legislation or de-industrialization will stop it. This will just make life more expensive and less enjoyable.


16 posted on 04/07/2016 1:05:40 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: onedoug

I’ve seen numerous persistent contrails criss cross the sky in dawn flight patterns that did not match routine air traffic.
I never used to see that sort of thing prior to 1998.

Recently at Yosemite Sierra camping on a Sunday at 6am - perfectly clear dawn sky turned hazy within a hour after about 10 high altitude jet criss cross loose grid passes.
Weird.

People around the world have reported the phenomenon since the late 90’s which would be a huge massive operation that would be hard to conceal.
I’ve never heard of a pilot, aircraft mechaic, ground crew, FAA or commercial or military to step forward to expose a “Chem trail” spraying effort.
I have seen a 1978 patent record for Edwin Teller’s air dispersed aluminum partical for solar radiation management.
The Air Force did publish a paper called something like controlling the weather by 2020.
I’ve seen NOAA satelite weather maps that actually showed cloud patterns comprised of dense criss cross cloud lines.
JPL had a video out within the past year or two, where the presenter suggests managing climate warming via a solar management spraying program to reduce absorbed solar light and heat.

Most Chemtrail activist sites have bothersome fringe left wing association, so I am suspicious of what they espouse for proof.

I believe in Occam’s razor as a guideline most times.
Chemtrail spraying would seem to be too large, expensive and long run a operation, for it to be successfully hidden from disclosure.

http://m.ktvz.com/news/chemtrails-real-conspiracy-or-wild-theory/19900358

RE: “I’ve actually witnessed aircraft contrails becoming various ~30,000 foot cloud types, depending on the conditions aloft.”


17 posted on 04/07/2016 1:08:07 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5003186

Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
US 5003186 A
Abstract
A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

Most current approaches to reduce global warming are to restrict the release of various greenhouse gases, such as CO2, CFC, and methane. These imply the need to establish new regulations and the need to monitor various gases and to enforce the regulations.

One proposed solution to the problem of global warming involves the seeding of the atmosphere with metallic particles. One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude. While this method would increase the reflection of visible light incident from space, the metallic particles would trap the long wavelength blackbody radiation released from the earth. This could result in net increase in global warming.

It is therefore an object of the present invention to provide a method for reduction of global warming due to the greenhouse effect which permits heat to escape through the atmosphere.

 Publication number US5003186 A
Publication type Grant
Application number US 07/513,145
Publication date Mar 26, 1991
Filing date Apr 23, 1990
Priority date Apr 23, 1990
Fee status Paid
Inventors David B. Chang, I-Fu Shih
Original Assignee Hughes Aircraft Company
Export Citation BiBTeX, EndNote, RefMan
Patent Citations (2), Referenced by (18), Classifications (7), Legal Events (7)
External Links: USPTO, USPTO Assignment, Espacenet


18 posted on 04/07/2016 1:43:08 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf Proxy Highlight

Owning the Weather in 2025. A Research Paper. Presented To. Air Force 2025 by. Col Tamzy J. House. Lt Col James B. Near, Jr. LTC William B. Shields (USA).


19 posted on 04/07/2016 1:44:51 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Any headline that begins with the word “Why” is an automatic flag for propaganda.


20 posted on 04/07/2016 1:48:24 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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