Posted on 04/13/2016 9:14:30 AM PDT by RebelTex
“The Duplicate thread is closed.”
Sorry, didn’t realize that your link was a response to a post in a duplicate thread.
Pinging Norseman to post # 96:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3420499/posts?page=96#96
LOL
I don’t mind at all.
But I was disappointed that I got a phone call in the middle of typing all of that, and forgot to emphasize more about the vileness of the bribery...
With respect to the “wooing,” aka legal BRIBERY, most honest Americans find bribery to be dishonest, immoral, etc. And yet it is perfectly legal and commonplace - and expected - within the CLUB, and within the delegate game.
Even the news media are now casually joking about the “wooing” on Fox and CNN. They are asking guests about what is allowed in the “wooing” game. None of them are screaming about all this BRIBERY.
They say, “It’s illegal to buy votes for candidates running for office, but they aren’t buying votes for candidates running for office, they are only buying delegates who are SELECTING who will become the NOMINEE to run for office.”
We, the People, cast votes for candidates in November for President of the United States. OUR votes can’t be bought. It’s not legal for a SuperPAC to give YOU or ME a membership to a golf club in order to cast our vote in November for Candidate A. But it is perfectly legal to buy a DELEGATE, and that Delegate’s vote, because that delegate isn’t voting for someone to hold Public Office. That delegate is only voting for a NOMINEE to run for an office.
So once again, those who are in the CLUB can be BOUGHT by the SuperPACs, but you and I cannot. And that’s why the GOPe doesn’t want us to know about what goes on behind the curtain. And that’s why they don’t want Trump.
So keep the pacifier in your mouth and all will be good.
I’m not sure Rubio has control over his delegates the same way Kasich does (at least on the 1st ballot).
Did Rubio officially withdraw from the race or suspend his campaign? If he ended his campaign, his delegates may no longer be officially bound, but may new be uncommitted delegates on the 1st ballot.
That explains it. Thanks. I figured the Sidebar Moderator locked my thread:
1st FR article headline:
“RNC member: Trump can win with 1,100 delegates”
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3420452/posts
... in favor of yours because you donate more than I do to the Freepathons or something. Ha-ha
He’s stealing votes by going around and subtly putting his delegates instead of Trump’s delegates so they’ll abandon Trump after the first ballot - even though he won those delegates fair and square. It may not be illegal, but it’s very unethical and shady. Cruz wouldn’t want someone to d that to his delegates. It’s just a high tech form of stealing. Ted Cruz has repeatedly shown that he loves to operate in the gray area and to even be sleazy.
That's why if the nomination is stolen, I'll choose a third party candidate who is on the ballot. It sends the strongest message that you're opposed to BOTH criminal organizations.
"there will be numerous uncommitted delegates that can vote any way they feel.
suppose Trump gets 1100.
he needs 137 more from uncommitteds.
what about that don’t people get?"
but, but, but - those uncommitted delegates are supposed to go for cruz, or ryan, or ANYBODY but Trump, aren't they?
/s
;-D
“This isn’t marbles. Fair play, by the rules, is not based on what’s popular.”
The American people are beside themselves with anger and contempt, over the way the Republicans have betrayed us during the last seven years. They’re in no mood to have The Rules ‘explained’ to them by a pack of thieving whores who’ve already sold them out to the globalist elites. They want their damned country back, and see only one guy in the race who looks like he can remotely get it done without bbloodshed.
If the people want one thing, and the political elites want another, there’s going to be tension. Great tension. If the political elites decide their party Rules trump the broad will of the people, there will be a revolt.
Thankyou for that clarification and the link.
even so it does not take away the fact this was said right?
Nothing subtle about it. This is how the game is played. Since Trump chooses to abstain, Cruz has no choice. If Cruz doesn't act, then the GOPe assigns those delegates by default. Cruz is the only one here fighting to make sure the GOPe doesn't steal this convention while Trump does nothing.
so they’ll abandon Trump after the first ballot
The ones the GOPe assigns by default will do the same thing.
- even though he won those delegates fair and square
Trump won those delegates fair and square on the first ballot only. Winning them after that requires ground work - something that Donald Trump has been unwilling to do.
The only candidate here fighting against the GOPe is Ted Cruz. Meanwhile, Donald Trump whines.
I was specifically responding to someone who asked “how” is Cruz stealing votes. So my entire diatribe (whew, that was long!) was written as if it is Cruz’s campaign that is doing the stealing. But yes, of course, any campaign can engage in these activities because they are legal. (Something I hope gets changed!)
By now I would hope you are aware that Cruz has #NeverTrump SuperPAC money behind him, and they have spent over $500 million in negative ads and other efforts to stop Trump. Trump is trying to run his campaign the way he thinks government should be run — as if the money matters. So yes, Trump could bribe people, but he had naively believed (like 99.99% of America) that people’s votes matter.
People on this forum and in the media (Amanda Carpenter-I-hate-Trump, for example) have complained that Trump should have spent more money to win more delegates. I can’t believe Conservatives are arguing that a politician should spend more money on the election process. I can’t believe Conservatives are arguing that a politician should have bribed more people. I can’t believe Conservatives are arguing that the completely complicated and convoluted election process should be applauded and that anyone (Trump AND his supporters) who doesn’t “understand” the process is dumb, uneducated, etc., when the reality is that 99.99% of the population believes our vote matters. On that point, I guess 99.99% of us are in fact ignorant, and that is not limited to just Trump supporters.
As for how much of this bribery goes on.... The little bribes can happen a lot: dinner with the candidate, a party at Trump Tower, etc. But if a candidate has only 1200 delegates locked up, then the bigger bribes only need to happen with a few dozen key people - those are the King-makers.
On the other hand, SuperPAC could spend $50,000 each on 1237 delegates and it would “only” cost $62 million to buy the nomination!! That’s 1/8 as much as they have spend on negative ads already!!
AND THIS IS LEGAL, ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE INSIDE THE GAME, AND IGNORED BY THE #NEVERTRUMP PEOPLE — WITH GLEE.
And while the #NeverTrump people scream, “You Trump-supporters and Trump are too dumb to know the rules, but our guy Cruz is brilliant!!”
The Trump supporters and Trump scream, “THE SYSTEM IS CROOKED AND IT’S UNFAIR TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!”
“We, the People, cast votes for candidates in November for President of the United States. OUR votes can’t be bought.”
Guess what!
The Electoral College has very similar rules.
From:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
Each candidate running for President in your state has his or her own group of electors. The electors are generally chosen by the candidate’s political party, but state laws vary on how the electors are selected ( http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#selection ) and what their responsibilities are. Read more about the qualifications of the Electors ( http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#qualifications ) and restrictions on who the Electors may vote for ( http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions ).
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
He only suspended. He specifically wrote letters to states saying that he expects his delegates to stay bound to him.
His statement yesterday was a verbal statement that he “expects” or “hopes” that his delegates will vote for the only Conservative in the race, and at this point, that is Cruz. He meant after they become unbound. He wasn’t talking about changing their binding to a different candidate. He was merely sending a signal to his delegates that he is #NeverTrump, and he hopes his delegates will vote for Cruz on the second ballot (or whenever they become unbound).
It was also a signal to Cruz that he would consider the VP position.
“... in favor of yours because you donate more than I do to the Freepathons or something. Ha-ha”
Nah, I’m just a year older (FReeper time, LOL).
;-D
“People on this forum and in the media (Amanda Carpenter-I-hate-Trump, for example) have complained that Trump should have spent more money to win more delegates. I can’t believe Conservatives are arguing that a politician should spend more money on the election process. I can’t believe Conservatives are arguing that a politician should have bribed more people.”
Spending more money (and effort) on the election process doesn’t equate to bribery. I received a few emails and a phone call from Cruz’s people (paid? volunteers? I don’t know) to go attend my precinct and district caucuses. At the district caucus it was mostly Cruz supporters there. They probably got similar calls and emails (Washington State).
I read where Trump sent out mailers, but had them addressed to Washington D.C. So yes, a “ground game” of probably mostly volunteers seems to work.
I feel snubbed though. All I got was emails and a call. Maybe my cash bribe will be waiting for me at the state convention. (Hey - come to think of it - I’m in the hole a couple hundred bucks for the various fees! Not counting travel and hotel to go to state.)
BTW - Washington state delegate are bound to the winner of our primary. So I guess the bribing will only happen if Trump doesn’t make the 50%+1 threshold.
dware, I am thinking that it just wasn’t always in the news, but lots of fierce battles.
The Republican Establishment has almost always used every trick in the book to get moderate candidates or at least candidates that will play ball with the global interests.
In the book “A Choice Not An Echo” it was exposed how the nomination process is used to allow “kingmakers” to get their candidates nominated.
Conservatives who wish to counter this, can begin to “take over” the Republican Party leadership. This starts at the precinct level - only costs about $10.00 to register to run as Committee Chairman.
In a recent election almost half of these positions were vacant. Once elected, the Committee Chairs get to vote for who the Party leaders will be, etc. etc.
For the people who are not happy with the Republican Party and their leadership, my advice is to get busy and replace it, and change the rules to be what you consider fair-most especially if you are young and able.
That still doesn’t change the fact that many of our politicians today are simply not that interested in John Q Citizen, and have reasons other than service to their community as motives.
I pray daily for the return of our Country to the founding principles and people who will truly represent the hard working men and women of this country, but I feel very strange sometimes, like I have awakened in a bizzaro world that only vaguely resembles my country.
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