Posted on 04/15/2016 9:15:52 AM PDT by MaxistheBest
“...Stone’s thug like tactics were used in the 1930s by Hitler...”
BZZZZZ! You lose!
I have seen lame , weak, faggotty arguments in my life, but your little nose-nuzzle to the Liberal media anus takes the prize for both moral and intellectual cowardice!
Buy some Lypsyl is my firm advice.
Whatever you do, don’t wash down the magic mushrooms and bath salts with Ripple!
LOL.
Why, under those circumstances, does it make sense to hand the nomination to Ted Cruz? Or worse, to some chump with even less primary support - or none?
In that circumstance, nobody is handing anything to anybody. At that point, the nomination goes to the person who can win a poll of the delegates at the convention.
Look at it this way... If nobody has enough votes to get the nomination on the first ballot, then the primary process has failed to produce a winner. In that case, it is up to the convention to produce a winner. The way the convention does this is by a vote amongst the delegates. Candidates are free to appeal to any and all of the delegates at the convention, and the delegates will vote, over and over again, until somebody has the majority.
Trump will be free to argue that since he got more votes than anybody else, delegates should support him on subsequent ballots. Cruz will not have the advantage of this argument, but he will be able to appeal on the basis of ideological consistency and a proven track record in previous elections.
From people wondering how they can change to Cruz as we speak.
Donny the Demonrat Donor couldn't contain the inner liberal any longer. That form of EVIL always finds it's way out.
THE FORCE IS WITH US.
Jedi.
He's not going to get them on the first ballot. So he'll have to persuade them to switch on the second ballot. What is his argument?
In raw numbers Trump has won more delegates, more votes and more states.
On electability Kasich does better in general election polls. (Not that I believe those polls, but there are those who swear by them)
In terms of party clout Cruz is a pariah. He's absolutely despised by the GOPe insiders.
The kind of nonsense Cruz supporters are throwing out there ("Most consistent conservative!") doesn't carry a lot of weight among party hacks. I'm not arguing about who a caucus of FR readers should nominate, I'm arguing that the GOP delegates, mostly party hacks and insiders, won't nominate Cruz, and that Cruz has nothing, no convincing case to convince them otherwise.
Make the case that Cruz is a winner.
He lost every swing state so far. He lost the south. He's hated in the northeast. He's disliked by other Republicans. He's a first term senator with no significant political accomplishments.
How is he a better candidate than Trump?
Because he's the only honest to God true outsider /s
He lost every swing state so far. He lost the south. He's hated in the northeast. He's disliked by other Republicans. He's a first term senator with no significant political accomplishments.
How is he a better candidate than Trump?
That is not for me to do.
If it comes to pass that no candidate has a majority, and there are multiple ballots at the convention, and Ted Cruz wins the last of those votes, he will be the winner of the Republican Party nominating process.
Presumably both candidates will be making arguments about electability and how they stack up against Hillary Clinton. Trump will surely argue, just as you have, that he has garnered more votes in more states. Cruz will likely argue that he has actually won general election contests against real live Democrats, and that he is better positioned to appeal to a majority of Americans.
I would expect the delegates to listen to these arguments and then pick the candidate they like best. This choice will be based on both ideological and electability considerations.
If Cruz wins that vote, he is the winner... of that vote. He will be the Republican nominee, and he will start working to win the big vote in November. If Trump wins that vote, he will do likewise.
This is the way it works. If the Primaries fail to produce a winner -- and a winner is defined by having 1237 on the first ballot -- then it will fall to the Convention to produce a winner on subsequent ballots.
Let me tell you how it works. If someone other than Trump is nominated they will lose to Hillary Clinton, barring some major meltdown by the wicked witch.
No matter how weak rigged polls claim Trump is, the product of a contested convention that leaves at least one third of Republicans angry and bitter will be weaker.
Therefore it is the duty of all Republicans to prevent a contested convention. Cruz should check his ego, drop out and endorse Trump.
If Trump arrives in Cleveland with fewer that 1237, and emerges with the nomination, he will have won the nomination in a contested convention. Once no candidate has a majority, the convention is contested.
If Trump wants to avoid that, the solution is simple. He has to win 1237 delegates by the time the first ballot is taken.
The fact that Trump might be unable to accomplish this without help from his rivals does not indicate that he will be a strong candidate in the General Election.
If Trump can gather enough delegates to win on the first ballot, I think he will win the General Election. If he is unable to accomplish this, I think a Trump candidacy is doomed, and we, as a party, should start looking for alternatives.
But I am going to support the nominee, no matter what. Trump, Cruz, or some taxi driver pulled off the street, it doesn’t matter. Any one of them would be better than Hillary Clinton. I have to wonder why anybody who can’t figure that out is even messing about with Republican Party politics in the first place.
This new meme that a plurality of delegates or votes (38%? Give me a break ONLY 62% oppose him!!) entitles you to a damn thing really ticks me off.
Did anyone give a damn when Romney clinched a plurality? No. Some people still fantasized about Palin riding in on a white horse even after Romney clinched a MAJORITY of delegates.
The majority rules, period.
And him complaining about the evil rules is hilarious when those same rules have given him a lot more than 38% of the delegates, if raw vote percentages are so sacrosanct.
He hasn’t won yet and Cruz and Cruz supporters aren’t gonna quit. And I VERY much doubt Trumpers would quit if the positions were reversed. Very very much doubt it. Cause he’s the magic hero, he’s the only one!!! Whatever the narrative needs to be, that’s what Trumpers would make it. To hell with objectivity!
You're assuming that the GOPe's efforts are something we should consider morally neutral or even right.
I consider the GOPe to be as evil as Hillary Clinton. Their scheming to deny Trump the nomination is a testament to Trump's quality, not his handicaps.
No matter how you twist words or correct me on procedural trivialities (is it contested if Trump wins on the first ballot by wooing unbound delegates? I could not give two turds) Trump is the only winner that can come out of that convention. If you support, even indirectly, any candidate or campaign or SuperPAC or cabal that's working to deny Trump the nomination you might as well swear an oath of fealty to Hillary Rodham Clinton, cause that's what your efforts will get you.
How the hell did Cruz get the delegates from Nebraska before there was even a primary vote? Does anyone honestly think he will be able to pull similar voting chicanery against the Dems in November?
The problem with the processes in each state is that all the suddenly angry voters somehow think the process should be how THEY think it should be,.... failing utterly to realize that it is THEIR process but they just chose not be involved.
If Trump does not win on any ballot at the convention, how can you say he should get the nomination?
If somebody else gets 1237+ on a subsequent ballot at the convention, should Trump be the nominee anyway?
If the primaries do not produce a nominee, the convention will. The convention will do this by voting.
I'm saying that if Trump doesn't get it thanks to the plotting of Ted Cruz and the GOPe we're guaranteed to lose the general election. Your effort to spin this as normal or "by the book" doesn't matter.
I have said many times I'll vote for the GOP nominee. But if that nominee is selected by this despicable process that you, in your smarmy lawyerly way, are attempting to justify, a Hillary presidency is the very least of the wretched consequences.
It will also shatter the party, perhaps allowing the Democrats another eight years of America wrecking policy unopposed, after which there will be no America, just a sector in the North American Union.
That's what this lawyerly drivel will win you.
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