Posted on 04/21/2016 4:28:44 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
Trump strategist Roger Stone tells NJ 101.5 radio that even if Donald Trump wins a majority of pledged delegates to the Republican convention, Cruz will utilize "Trojan horse" delegates (who are bound to vote for Trump only on the first RNC nomination ballot) to vote on "procedural" matters in the Rules Committee or Credentials committee to block or disallow certain votes.
ROGER STONE: Unfortunately just because Donald Trump gets the 1,237 [delegates needed to win], doesn't mean we aren't going to have a brokered convention. My sources, who are pretty good in the Republican Party, indicate to me that Ted Cruz intends to work a "rules strategy" to try to euchre this nomination away from Donald Trump.
In kind of a shady, using political trickery and so on, utilizing these Trojan Delegates we have been talking about -- Where Trump delegates, from the results of the primary -- those seats are filled with non-Trump voters, non-Trump supporters who will vote against Trump on procedural issues in either rules or credentials that could be used to take away his majority.
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That right there is funny, I don't care who you are.
Cruz has an PAC backing him that will generously pay all convention expenses if the delegates flip their Trump vote to Cruz.
Cruz is packing all delegate spots with party professionals that are anti-Trump delegates to have his way. And now Cruz is asking for loyalty pledges from his delegates because he fears the party delegates will dump him.
The Credentials committee will be reviewing numerous infractions with Cruz delegates.
“I refuse to get in a foamed mouth frenzy just because someone claims something might happen. “
“Each man has the right to state their case and work for delegates within the rules established by the GOP whether we like the rules or not.”
Agreed, ‘foamed mouth frenzy’ is never good, and each man does have the right to state their case and work for delegates. However, there is no reason they have to accept whatever rules the GOP dishes out.
There is no reason people have to accept the GOP at all. If enough people are dissatisfied with the existing GOP system of selecting nominees, they have several options: 1) make their dissatisfaction loud and clear, and hope that the GOP, in the interest of remaining relevant, adjusts and reforms its process, or 2) they can abandon the GOP and form a new party or take their chances operating outside of a party structure.
The GOP is a private organization, and as such, it can set its own policies, but it does have various stakeholders it must please, just as a corporation must please it’s stockholders, customers, vendors, employees etc. they are all essential, they can all withdraw their stake, so they must all be kept satisfied.
The voters may not be the only stakeholders in the GOP, but they are like the customer base. Ultimately, the GOP needs to keep the customers happy.
I think a lot of people are learning a lot in 2016 about the whole nominee selection process - a lot of words - primary vs. caucus, bound vs. unbound, 1st, 2nd, 3rd ballot, WTA vs. proportional, plurality vs. majority - I don’t know how it will all shake out, but I think it’s a good thing that it’s getting questioned.
Anyone who thinks that delegates to a political convention must act like elected representative are smoking some illegal substance. They are only bound to vote as prescribed for a candidate on the first or in some cases second ballot. The convention delegates vote on their own rules via their own conscious.
I think a lot of people are learning a lot in 2016 about the whole nominee selection process - a lot of words - primary vs. caucus, bound vs. unbound, 1st, 2nd, 3rd ballot, WTA vs. proportional, plurality vs. majority - I don’t know how it will all shake out, but I think it’s a good thing that it’s getting questioned.
Good post and find myself in agreement with pretty much everything you say
The system sucks. Let’s not mince words. But if Trump is serious about changing it, he’ll have to play the game as it is in the meantime.Such is the cold reality of politics. You can’t affect change by losing. I can appreciate Trump pointing out the issues with the nominee selection process. The GOPe isn’t going to ride into that sunset without a fight. The issue many of us have is when he and his supporters accuse others of cheating for understanding and playing by the rules as they are today. Right or wrong. Rules that a candidate didn’t create
Honestly in my mind Cruz is already in the rear view mirror. I can barely summon the interest to even discuss the guy. He needs to drop out and he will be forced out at some point.
“If he does this, he will probably lose about 50 states.”
If they do it is “lose with Cruz”.
Voters are not “Stakeholders”. Voters are products that the corporation is selling to the stake holders.
Of course, if the product you are selling no longer is controlled by the corporation, your customers will not be happy.
That is what is happening.
Cruz will do whatever that skunk Jeff Roe tells him to do.
On one hand I think it would be an accomplishment to see a candidate win every single state. I think the last presidential candidate that won every state was George Washington.
On the other hand, that President will be Hillary whose Presidency will be an unadulterated disaster.
Nonsense.
Cruz is his own man who decides his policy positions.
Cruz will NOT shill for the GOPe.
They are the ones coming to him, not the other way around.
“Cruz was up against 16 other candidates when running in Texas. Trump, 3”
No, the Texas Republican vote was split 5 ways, with Kasich and Carson getting only 4% each. The NY Republican vote was split 4 ways, with Carson getting essentially 0%. In both primaries, it was essentially a three way race.
“Cruz had 2.5 times as many people vote for him in his state than Trump did.”
Of course! There are nearly 4 times as many Republicans in Texas than there are in NY.
The appropriate way to compare the two candidates’ performances in their home states is simply to campare percentages straight up. Trump received 60%, while Cruz received 44%.
Agreed. I wouldn’t accuse Cruz of ‘cheating’ and I wouldn’t condone Trump using that word. On the other hand, I don’t think saying it is ‘rigged’ is unreasonable.
If Trump reaches 1237 before Cleveland, Cruz will not try anything to take that away.
Roger Stone just wants us to think Cruz will, to try and gin up this “we wuz robbed” nonsense.
Most delegates are bound through the first ballot, a handful are bound through the second, Florida is bound through the third ballot, and one or two states require a majority vote to change from the original candidate. In California, each candidate chooses their own delegates after the primary election.
1860.
Who voted? I would say we have a starkly different electorate now and different expectations of transparency.
Even more so than 1952.
No amount of rationalization would normalize such a result by today’s standards. None.
Good Luck GOP; aka The Stupid Party
Looking at percentages is the preferred way to compare candidates for the most part.
Roger Stone can sit on it.
Is that before or after he changes his mind on his positions?
Roger Stone? isnt He the Trump shill who ran that lie about Cruz and his mistresses? in that Rag tabliod? who is tight with Trump.
Ted Had it right....
New York Values.
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