Posted on 04/21/2016 3:30:04 PM PDT by Red Steel
How about Cruz and Trump in a run off if the Trumpster does not get the 1237 delegates.
Hmmmm are they listening or just being more stealth ?
The stupid party makes a smart move.
Some rule changes I would like to see down the road is no caucuses, no straw polls. Let the people choose with a statewide vote. None of the nonsense like in Pennsylvania where the voters only get to choose 17 of 71 delegates. Also I hear now that in Pennsylvania the voters are going to choose delegates instead of the candidate. How ridiculous is that?
“The committee adjourned just one hour”
A multi-million dollar 3 day party for a 1 hour meeting. What a ridiculous waste of money.
How about Cruz and Trump in a run off if the Trumpster does not get the 1237 delegates.
How about realizing that Cruz is MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED!
The people chose Donald Trump! Deal with it!
“The people chose Donald Trump! Deal with it!”
Trump has only won about 40% of the vote. IOW, 60% of “the people” chose someone else! Deal with it!
you mean “how about we keep having run-offs until Cruz wins”?
This is a very hotly contested election and any change that we make will be viewed with a large degree of cynicism
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No shiite, Sherlock.
You’ve only been manipulating the nominating process to get an amnesty candidate in every election since the last amnesty. Only a half billion dollars have been spent trying to stop Trump.
Why would anyone be suspicious?
If Trump does not get 1237, he is also mathematically eliminated.
Trump is leading both Republicans and Democrats this year.
Trump has—
“ ** More primary wins than any candidate (18)
** More overall state wins than any candidate (21)
** The highest percentage of primary wins (82%)
** The highest percent of overall state wins (64%)
** The highest percent of primary delegates (68%)
** The highest percent of overall delegates (60%)
** And Trump now leads all candidates in the highest percent of overall votes (58%).
UCANSEE2 wrote: “Trump is leading both Republicans and Democrats this year.”
I wish that were true but Trump is losing to both Hillary and Bernie in the RealClearPolitics average. In fact, Trump does worse than Cruz and that other guy.
TomGuy wrote: “Corrected: ‘60% of “the people” chose someone else others!’”
Thanks for the grammar lesson. The fact remains, it’s difficult to justify the statement that “the people” have chosen Trump when only 40% of “the people” have actually voted for Trump and ‘others’ have received 60% of the vote.
That's exactly what happens in a contested convention. If all delegate's votes are tied to how the vote went in each state, no one would ever get a majority. They would continue to vote for the same person each time, no matter how many ballots.
In a contested election, after the first vote, if no one has 1237 delegates, delegates are free to vote their conscience. This is what the people who are complaining are upset about. The process has been in place for a long time, since there used to be many different candidates names raised at the convention.
The process at the state level was put into place to limit the number of candidates presented to the delegates at the convention.
All the shouting and carrying on that is going on now, is to intimidate delegate to vote for the person who has the most delegates going into the convention. That is not how the process works.
The delegates themselves have their own preference, but will vote how they were pledged during the first vote. Generally they will vote their own preference on the second ballot. If their is still a plurality, then they are supposed to vote what is good for the party and nation. Eventually a nominee is selected.
How the delegates that have been assigned to the people who have dropped out(suspended their campaigns), like Rubio, Carson, etc.,is the interesting twist in the process. I don't believe any candidate can pledge their delegates to a particular candidate who did not drop out.
All the shouting about stealing delegates is a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, other than to allow someone to continually scream that the process is broken, and call other nominees names.
The simplest statement about the entire process is that the delegates, sent by each state, decide who the nominee will be. The delegates are selected in many different ways, each state party decides how the process is done in their state, since the delegates represent the state level Republican Party.
Also I hear now that in Pennsylvania the voters are going to choose delegates instead of the candidate. How ridiculous is that?>>>. i didn’t hear that but we are trying to identify delegates leanings. i’ve been regestered dem for the past 8 years so i can’t remember what the republican side looks like. I’ve tried to get a picture of the ballot for review but have not been successful. might go to city hall tomorrow at lunch.
There are a lot of people out there who couldn't vote for their choice, when the time came in their state, because their nominee dropped out. They voted for their second choice. Now you would be telling them that even their second choice has no chance against the plurality nominee.
With this going on, people tend to drop out of the process.
Most delegates pay their own way to the convention. They are tied to a nominee for the first ballot, by the process in their state. After that they should be able to vote their conscience.
Remember when Perot ran, and Bill Clinton was voted into office with a plurality, but declared he had a mandate for his policies. Remember Obama declaring himself King and Dictator, despite voters by Congressional district, and then in the Senate, saying stop Obama.
Plurality elections, whether at the convention or in the General Election are sickening.
The other Clinton won twice with about 43% of the vote.
If the Bernie people do as they say and stay home or vote for Trump, Hillary could have a big problem.
If the GOPestablishment vote for Hillary over Trump, Hillary could have an easy win.
If the blue-collar unions and others who feel disenfranchised by the Dems vote for Trump, he could have a big landslide win.
If, If, If...
It is way to early to get a fix on November, until the 2 party nominees are decided. Trump and his supporters don’t follow the typical demographics of previous elections, and that makes it difficult for the polsters.
Except that many of them had John Kerry winning in 2004 and Romney in a landslide in 2012.
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