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AI will create 'useless class' of human, predicts bestselling historian
theguardian.com ^ | 5/20/2016 | Ian Sample

Posted on 05/20/2016 8:07:49 AM PDT by rktman

Harari calls it “the rise of the useless class” and ranks it as one of the most dire threats of the 21st century. In a nutshell, as artificial intelligence gets smarter, more humans are pushed out of the job market. No one knows what to study at college, because no one knows what skills learned at 20 will be relevant at 40. Before you know it, billions of people are useless, not through chance but by definition.

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To: rktman

Liberal millenials?


21 posted on 05/20/2016 8:38:51 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: rktman
“I’m aware that these kinds of forecasts have been around for at least 200 years, from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and they never came true so far. It’s basically the boy who cried wolf,” says Harari.

Well, yes, and as he points out, the wolf did finally come. But in this case that may not be the best analogy. What happens with technological progress in general is that old roles - manual peasant farming, for example - tend to disappear and the people filling don't die out, they adapt. Quite a few people - Marx, for one - felt that some sort of end state was possible when, in turn, the manufacturing jobs they migrated to were themselves subsumed. It doesn't appear to have worked out like that.

The article author's point is that the rate of technological progress (which is not the same thing) makes it difficult to anticipate in advance what field to study, and my own career is proof of that; it simply didn't exist when I was an undergraduate, much less a high school student. It turns out to be a relatively minor inconvenience so long as one realizes that the study is never going to stop. Call that an adaptation if you like.

22 posted on 05/20/2016 8:50:46 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: rktman

As long as we don’t unleash the zombie apocalypse by seeing consciousness where it is not, we will continue to create better tools which will enable us to do more things, like space exploration for example. We are just at a point where we need to be adaptable, not overly regimented and pigeon-holed by big data.


23 posted on 05/20/2016 8:52:54 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen... -Emerson)
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To: MeganC

A lot of people don’t have the native ability to learn the trades, to a worthwhile level.


24 posted on 05/20/2016 8:59:14 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: rktman

What skills will be needed after a massive EMP bomb is released?

We’ll be back to needing horses and hand saws.


25 posted on 05/20/2016 9:02:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: rktman

God doesn’t think they are useless.

Handouts without work and illegitimate children are destroying the country.


26 posted on 05/20/2016 9:05:09 AM PDT by alternatives? (Cruz or Trump)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Bingo. Trivium and quadrivium. Machines can perform processes and routines. Only people can think.


27 posted on 05/20/2016 9:07:12 AM PDT by Romulus
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o: rktman What skills will be needed after a massive EMP bomb is released? We’ll be back to needing horses and hand saws.

According to James Burke on "Connections", you'd better have a plow lying around somewhere.

28 posted on 05/20/2016 9:10:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rktman

Malthusianism has been incorrect 100% of the time, and will continue to be incorrect 100% of the time.


29 posted on 05/20/2016 9:17:15 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: MeganC

“AI can’t build roads or fix a heater.”

Believe it or not, there was actually a debate about whether it was better for third world countries to build their roads using hand labor or machines. It was feared that using machines would increase unemployment and decrease distribution of wages.


30 posted on 05/20/2016 9:22:32 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: rktman

The skilled trades like plumbing, mechanical repair, HVAC, electrician - those jobs remain in just as high a demand and become even more important when robots can do a lot of basic repetitive labor.
The guy who can fix the robots will get paid REAL well.


31 posted on 05/20/2016 9:41:27 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: buwaya

The Great Shift Toward Automation and the Future of Employment
http://hubpages.com/business/The-Great-Shift-and-the-Future-of-Employment


32 posted on 05/20/2016 9:42:20 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: rktman


33 posted on 05/20/2016 9:43:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If liberals were in charge of the oceans, in 5 years they would be vast water-less deserts)
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To: MeganC

Actually road building is mostly automated already, and between reliability and replaceability fixing heaters is become an unnecessary activity.


34 posted on 05/20/2016 9:43:56 AM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu

“Actually road building is mostly automated already”

That’s what my husband is doing up in Canada right now.


35 posted on 05/20/2016 9:48:10 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: MeganC

There’s still a few people necessary. But those big road machines have cut crew size by dozens and get a lot more road laid.


36 posted on 05/20/2016 9:53:31 AM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: tbw2
The guy who can fix the robots will get paid REAL well.

And then along comes a robot that repairs other robots.

And it doesn't need to be paid, fed, housed or clothed.

It doesn't need air, water, a shower or a bathroom.

It doesn't complain, file grievances, take vacations or sick time.

It never leaves work early, comes in late, or fails to come to work at all.

It never comes to work stoned or hungover and never falls asleep on the job.

It never tries to diddle the secretary or the bosses wife.

It takes a few shots of 3 in 1 oil now and then and it's good to go.


37 posted on 05/20/2016 9:55:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If liberals were in charge of the oceans, in 5 years they would be vast water-less deserts)
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To: rktman

Watch this automatic track laying machine

Think about how many jobs it eliminates.

VIDEO LINK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MKcTbYDP7w


38 posted on 05/20/2016 10:03:32 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If liberals were in charge of the oceans, in 5 years they would be vast water-less deserts)
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I'm of the opinion that the correct verb is expose rather than create...
39 posted on 05/20/2016 10:08:01 AM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: Iron Munro

I saw a video of this once. Still had humans hanging around though.


40 posted on 05/20/2016 10:11:06 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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