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Random Audits for Homeschoolers?
HSLDA ^ | 5/24/2016 | HSLDA Staff

Posted on 05/24/2016 3:31:33 PM PDT by Sopater

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To: SamuraiScot; miss marmelstein
The whole time we were actively homeschooling, we were paid-up HSLDA members. We knew very well that if some agent of the school district, social worker, or LEO appeared at the door, we were to ask if they had a search warrant or a warrant for anyone's arrest. Upon being told "No," keep the govt. agent waiting *outside* the door, call HSLDA, say to the LEO "You may talk to my lawyer," and then hand him or her the phone.

We never actually had to do that, but we practiced several times. Our boys knew the score.

41 posted on 05/24/2016 5:20:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The rifle in the cottage is the symbol of democracy. It's our job to see that it stays there. Orwell)
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To: Rebelbase
My home schooling friends tell me their kids complete the daily material in 3-4 hours each day.

Mine do. They also both finished their curriculum several days shy of the state mandate, so we made up other things for them to cover to get the minimum number of days in.

42 posted on 05/24/2016 5:25:49 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I before E, except after C. Weird.)
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To: Fhios
that they prefer to use a stick instead of a carrot and it seems, at least in the conservative news that the recommended remedy is to take the children away from the parents or levy scurrilous child abuse charges.

Remedy? Ha! That's often their opening move. If you don't want to talk to them or let them in, you will immediately be told that "we can do this the easy way or the hard way."

Auditors of homeschoolers would undoubtedly be functioning under the same authority, and with the same powers, as the state's child protective services. That means if you don't cooperate they have the power to take your children, on the spot. Any cop they call will back them up. Any judge they explain it to, a day or so later, will also never find fault with them. Your lawyer is likely to tell you to cooperate. Your gun? That's worse than useless, you stand to lose your child, your freedom, and a significant amount of money and property.

43 posted on 05/24/2016 5:26:50 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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To: Sopater

The worst home school is still better than the Psychological Brainwashing Centres the govt runs.


44 posted on 05/24/2016 5:31:06 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands)
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To: Fhios

As a homeschooler, I think the people like you should leave me and the education of my children alone! If someone comes by to “audit” me, they will be sorry.


45 posted on 05/24/2016 5:34:50 PM PDT by Darth Gill
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To: Sopater

They are homeschooling because they see society devolving into bizarre world. These are the people protecting their children from the nuts whose educational goals are prioritizing men in women’s bathrooms and revisionist history.

These are the kids that the libs are being kept from getting their dirty hands on, that will come out childhood somewhat modest minded, with faith, secure in whom they are, a idea that America can be and is a great country with great ideals, and correct knowledge of what it used to be without it being Soviet-erased out of the books. Makes the left crazy. They can’t stand it.


46 posted on 05/24/2016 5:36:44 PM PDT by I still care (The left's goal never was tolerance. It always was facism.)
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To: Sopater

The left hates homeschooling because they can’t tell you what bathrooms to have.


47 posted on 05/24/2016 5:37:42 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Sopater

They tried this in NC, although here they actually expected homechooling parents to bring their children to the police departments for the meetings. That idea got shot down in a hurry.


48 posted on 05/24/2016 5:46:16 PM PDT by kalee
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To: Buttons12

Years ago, I believe it was Massachusetts, the state took it upon itself to check up on home schoolers at home, and if I remember correctly, a judge found it unconstitutional.


49 posted on 05/24/2016 5:57:56 PM PDT by goldi
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To: metmom

When we ran into local and state folks trying to make rulings about homeschooling it was usually someone beholden to the teachers unisons spearheading it.

So homeschoolers showed up.

Our political class learned that on should never pick a fight with a group of committed and motivated people, who have all day, and can make the fight a unit study, on government, or philosophy, and give high school credits.


50 posted on 05/24/2016 6:00:21 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian governments are the biggest killer of citizens in the world.)
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To: goldi
I believe it was Massachusetts...if I remember correctly, a judge found it unconstitutional.

If you are right, somebody won the lottery that day!

51 posted on 05/24/2016 6:02:12 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Thanks for the info. But how swamped are they? These things must be dealt with quickly and most organizations - no matter how well-meant - put people on a long, long waiting list. And by the time they come up, they’re owing thousands upon thousands.

They are VERY good, for both U.S. and Canada, and they deal with not just local educrats but the DCFS people when some anonymous crank or zealous hospital employee calls you in for homeschooling.

This is a relatively unsettled area of law, so for them, almost any case can be an important precedent.

Most school districts are risk averse, so a letter or phone call will do. An example of something a little more urgent was when a judge in Missouri sent out a document that looked like a summons to a "Truancy Court" that doesn't exist in reality or in law. The judge doubled down at first. HSLDA flew in attorneys and got an injunction that ultimately led to the judge dropping the whole thing, because he was in the wrong and he knew it.

http://hslda.org/hs/state/mo/201604220.asp
52 posted on 05/24/2016 6:05:45 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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To: cyclotic

“Hopefully it starts to rain while the auditor is waiting on the front porch to speak with my attorney.”

Principal Rooney in “Ferris Bueler’s Day Off” comes to mind. Hope the folks “unknowingly hosting the visit” have a bad a$$ed dog!


53 posted on 05/24/2016 6:08:48 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: kalee
That idea got shot down in a hurry.

That's because it was flat contrary to the law. It sounds like Kentucky's law makes "auditing" of a homeschool's records a possibility, whether it's by the local district or the state.

I've always refused to share my records with the state. If they want to call me and make an appointment, I'll be happy to show them that we have vaccination records, attendance records, and test results. Once they've verified the existence of these documents, they can get off my doorstep or I'll call HSLDA.

54 posted on 05/24/2016 6:19:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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To: Sopater
“ensure that all children in Clinton County have access to the best education possible.”
Absurd. The best education possible, for any given child, would be expensive. First, because it would require tutoring by an expert - in fact, by the finest expert tutor. Not the finest expert tutor in Clinton County, or even in Kentucky. The finest tutor in the world.

So we see that “the best education possible” for an individual cannot be delivered to “all the children in Clinton County.” One thing we know is that parental involvement and support is sine qua non for a good education. Another thing we know is that homeschooling is the ultimate in parental involvement in education. Yet another thing we know is that even if the parent is not herself (or himself) an expert at teaching academics to children in general, s/he is ineluctably the first and primary teacher of the child.

“Ensure that all children in Clinton County have access to the best education possible” is a chimera. To propose it as policy is to make “better” the enemy of good enough. Let the homeschoolers audit the government schools by the standard of “ensure that all children in Clinton County” government schools "have access to the best education possible” and see how Clinton County likes that.


55 posted on 05/24/2016 6:20:28 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Sopater; All

Will they be auditing poblik skuls? will teacher unions be audited? Will they audit the government and themselves?


56 posted on 05/24/2016 6:22:48 PM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: Sopater
"local school officials intend to conduct random audits of area homeschool families this summer because they want to “ensure that all children in our county are getting a rigorous and effective education."

How in the heck would THEY know?

57 posted on 05/24/2016 6:25:03 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: metmom

Harassment. Plain and simple.


58 posted on 05/24/2016 6:36:03 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, it was contrary to the law and we pushed back.


59 posted on 05/24/2016 6:38:00 PM PDT by kalee
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To: Darth Gill

Perhaps if the Home School Legal Defense Association provided independent audits. There are many ways to work it where you won’t be offended or threatened. You just have to get active in your school district.

But if you’re a home schooler, I support random audits, including teachers in public and private school and students in public and private schools to ensure they are meeting or exceeding academic standards.


60 posted on 05/24/2016 6:58:54 PM PDT by Fhios (Going Donald Trump is as close to going John Galt as we'll get.)
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