Posted on 06/09/2016 1:05:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Not true.
We also have rhe word of the two witnesses that found him and chased him.
Neither of them saw his pants down nor his privates exposed.
Both ‘rape’ charges (2 of the 5 charges) were tossed by the court on he first day of the case.
He was charged with “penetration with a foreign object” due to dirt, debris and pine needles in her vagina, digital penetration due to DNA swabs of his hand but not “rape” rape because she was unconscious and couldn’t testify to penile penetration, nor could the witnesses who caught him in the act.
So yeah, he sexually assaulted and raped her.
No, he did not ‘attack’ the girl.
They were both drunk as skunks at a frat party. He was 2x the limit. She was 3x the limit.
She (22) had gone to the frat party with her younger sister and two other friends. I think she said she had 4 whiskey shots at home before they went, and more at the party.
The party was crowded, so all the women went out into the trees and peed.
Then they went back to the party and were drinking behind the vack of the house.
An ‘agressive young man’ (the accused) was kissing in a number of the women. The sister claimed she was kissed, probably by him.
Eventually, one of the friends became so drunk, she could no longer take care of herself, so the sister and the other friends took her to another friends home to ‘sleep’
The sister said she left the victim because she was ‘ok’
However, the facts indicate that sje aas drunk as a skunk at the time and should have been taken with them.
Perhaps that means she was not willing to leave the party.
She admits to no knowledge of ehat happened from midnight til morning. She was found passed out at about 1am. She did not wale up until 4am.
The testimony of both sets of friends (his and hers) as to what happened at the party (interactions between the two) were very vague. The testimony indicates that he was kissing in her - but the drunks were not sure.
He said that they started kissing, and holding hands, and left the party to go back to his dorm. They made it to a secluded area - either under a pine tree or ‘behind a dumpster’
There he said they made out. He loosened her bra and felt her breasts. And he removed her panties and fingered her.
At some point in these 15-20 minutes, she passed out.
The two young men who found them said he was on top of her thrusting his pelvis.
So the convicted charges where for him puting his fingers in the pricates of a drunk woman and assault with intent to rape.
Thanks for the clarification...
I found it strange he was being called a rapist, but was charged with sexually assault...when by code he could have been charged with rape...
Now I know the rest of the story...
Due to the amount of debris found inside the victim, he did penetrate her, at least with a foreign object.
He seems to have no clue as to how awful his acts were. But I think that’ll change when he gets to prison. He’ll probably learn empathy in the worst way possible and I’ll leave it at that.
I’m not sure where all that information is coming from. I know if two people, who did not know either of them, who cam across him doing “stuff” to her when she was completely passed out.
That’s his trial testimony, legally massaged to avoid conviction, that failed to avoid conviction.
It also doesn’t match his statements to police the night of the arrest or any one else’s.
Is your point that if he never used his penis it’s no big deal?
It appears that there are a few more data points:
1) She called her boyfriend and left a message. Her words were slurred.
2) She also talked to the boyfriend.
3) The boyfriend apparently did not feel that there was any threat. He only prompted her to “find your sister”.
4) If she had the presence of mind to keep her clothes on and only do heavy petting, did she suddenly become embarrassed when they were discovered, she cheating on her boyfriend?
It is not implausible that she feigned going unconscious for plausible deniability of cheating
It is probable that he was simply using his fingers during the course of heavy petting.
Is that court testimony? I have read several news stories containing portions of the testimony and none have described how she/they got outside.
Also, neither the victim nor the assailant could give testimony for how long the crime/encounter lasted.
Lastly, the tow people who came across the crime scene were not "at the party."
That was the testimony, that he digitally penetrated her.
How much debris was found inside the victim?
That used to be called heavy petting or foreplay. It also seems to indicate restraint on the part of each person. I am still wondering if she was ok with it until the two were discovered.
No, that is not court testimony.
Haven’t seen any transcripts of court testimony.
However, there is the 55 page police report. SEE LINK.
That may be more accurate than the court testimony. We have all the witness statements before they are coached by their attorneys.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf
The two rape charges were dropped on the first day of trial. There was insufficient evidence to support the two rape charges.
He was convicted on the other three charges.
See referenced police report for the charges filed.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf
Interesting thought. The BAC was high enough for her to pass out. She was passed out for a good bit of time. So probably not.
I thought she left two incoherent messages to the boyfriend. Don’t think she talked to him.
Page 13 of the police report. The two boys that intervened set the time at 0:55 am.
The other two witnesses arrived at 0:58 am.
Page 20. Police Oficer Jeffery Taylor dispatched at 1:01 am. Arrives at 1:05
Report says:
644/261(a)4 PC (F) Attempted Rape - Victim unconscious
289 (d)(1). PC (F) Digital penetration
Officer says woman was snoring when he checked her. She did not respond physically or verbally when he yelled at her. Victim was in the fetal position.
Wearing a black skin tight dress, pulled up at waist exposing her buttock, pubic hair and abdomen. Top of dress was pulled down exposing shoulders.
Underwear was removed and laying on ground 6” away.
Back of dress and hair was covered in pine needles.
Boots were still on and laced up.
Silver iPhone (not in case) and blue case were on ground behind her.
A light gray sweatshirt that was removed from right arm but still on left arm
Bra was still on, but left breast was exposed. Bra was pushed up over breast.
At 1:30 she was transported to the hospital.
Page 23.
Officer was with her til 4:15.
Tried to talk to her every 15 minutes from 1:30 to 4:15.
At 4:15 she awoke. She did not know where she was or why.
She agreed to a rape exam.
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