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The Pentagon's controversial plan to hire military leaders off the street
6/19/16

Posted on 06/19/2016 12:14:49 PM PDT by BBell

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ashcarter; dod; militaryofficers; obamamilitary; pentagon; politicalofficers
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To: exDemMom

I hear what you’re saying, but I’ve also given job interviews to tons of officers about to or recently retired with 20 (i.e., in their early 40s) and there is literally no job that those guys could possibly have done that this guy could not have learned in six months and done standing on his head. At a certain point, talent is talent.


41 posted on 06/19/2016 1:31:13 PM PDT by only1percent ( who)
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To: All

This is just one reason why it is vitally important Drooling Evil (Hillary) be defeated this fall.

I wanted Cruz but at this point I am 100% for Trump.


42 posted on 06/19/2016 1:48:53 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (Three Percenter - Cruz/West)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exception to the rule. Political officers killed thousands of their own soldiers in the Civil War.


43 posted on 06/19/2016 1:53:31 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: BBell

DoD civilians, especially the political lackeys, are frustrated that they can’t completely control the professional culture of the military. They can make and enforce the policy, but they can’t manipulate the informal interactions that are the heart of the military ethos. Inserting their agents into the uniform leadership would make achieving their goals much easier. The end state will be a corps of political officers.


44 posted on 06/19/2016 1:59:07 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: catbertz

They did just that in the early 60s when I was in the Signal Corps. It worked fine and they had the authority to get things done on the technical side.


45 posted on 06/19/2016 2:03:20 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
both sides had a few who possessed a natural genius for war but they were rare

Bedford Forrest, Lt General CSA

Richard Taylor, Lt General CSA

46 posted on 06/19/2016 2:07:29 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam vs the Free World in a death match)
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To: BBell

This is a program to hire experts in very specific and technical areas. They’re not talking about hiring Colonels for the Infantry or Armor but for areas like IT and Space. Not a really big deal.


47 posted on 06/19/2016 2:12:14 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: BBell

Already have.

Called GS pay-grades. . .”up to GS-15” means up to colonel rank, and retired officers populate most GS positions in DoD.


48 posted on 06/19/2016 2:16:45 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: PapaBear3625

Just keep them as GS pay-grades. Not rank.

Bad enough when nurses come in direct as 1Lt and Docs as Capt.

They are not officers, not combat line people.

See no reason to change the GS scales to actual ranks.


49 posted on 06/19/2016 2:19:27 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: cynwoody

And he noted because he is an abnormality.


50 posted on 06/19/2016 2:20:23 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: only1percent

Your friend had plently of options where his skills could have been put to excellent use.

Why he didn’t pursue them is a question he needs to answer.

Some of the best combat leaders I’ve met are intuitive, natural and possess qualities that schools/education beats out of people.


51 posted on 06/19/2016 2:23:20 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: FreedomPoster

But they are not combat/line leaders. In fact, they have a special classification under the Conventions that make that clear.


52 posted on 06/19/2016 2:24:40 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: gaijin

Lol, excellent. Or Gen Sergey Brin - C in C of U.S. military strategy in Syria and the Levant.

It’s not too far fetched when we consider Google’s role in organizing the Islamic forces against Mubarak and Assad.


53 posted on 06/19/2016 2:46:20 PM PDT by indcons (Space available for advertising. Contact for rates.)
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To: only1percent

Sorry, but I disagree. Any one entering the basic branches of the Arm/mil need to go through the whole training enchilada. Just because some guy is a genius in some specialties does not mean the man can tie his boots.

certainly accelerating the process when losses are high ( major war) is necessary, but otherwise, a recipe for both military and social messes.

We need those who want to be all in, not just those who find it “interesting” or even feel a great patriotic duty- but not until.

As a former enlisted guy, I can attest to the frustration had by the enlisted corps even under the rather complex and thorough officer training processes in place now.


54 posted on 06/19/2016 2:46:38 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: BBell; markomalley; DYngbld; TADSLOS; xsrdx; big'ol_freeper; Mark17; mikefive; JDoutrider; ...

Active Duty ping.


55 posted on 06/19/2016 7:36:54 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: exDemMom

I worked with one guy who had originally joined the military during the Cuban Missile Crisis, retired and went into private industry and was getting ready to retire again when he got recalled. They made him a Warrant Officer.

He told them they’d better have a supply of extra large uniforms because he wasn’t going to do any damn PT.

He has since retired a final time.


56 posted on 06/19/2016 7:44:20 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: only1percent

All I am saying is that someone who did not major in a field of study that the Army is interested in will not get a commission.

Back in 2004, when I was going through officer basic course, several of my fellow officers were reservists who wanted to go active duty, but there were no jobs for them. Their hope was to do reserves for a while and keep applying to go active duty.

Right now, with downsizing, it is even harder to get a commission. It is getting more difficult to get promoted, as well, and failing to get promoted is more of a career ender than it was previously. Some newly commissioned captains will probably be let go in the not very distant future.

Well, you said you give job interviews to retiring officers. You probably hear them saying many of the same things.


57 posted on 06/19/2016 8:05:03 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t we already have subcontractors doing a lot of assignments requiring specialized skills?


58 posted on 06/19/2016 8:05:27 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Election is about Liberty versus Tyranny and National Sovereignty versus Globalism👍)
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