Le Pens Rejoice at Brexit, Call for EU-Wide Votes on EU Membership [Send in the Marine!]

Politico ^ | June 24, 2016 | Horense Goulard

[marvel5]

Marine Le Pen, the leader of the French far-right National Front party, said the British Brexit vote is a “victory for freedom” and called for all countries to have referendums on their European Union membership Friday.

“Victory for freedom! As I’ve asked for years, we need the same referendum in France and in the EU countries,” Le Pen tweeted.

[Falconspeed]

Thank you for the “exit poll questions.” Amazing. People with common sense are more influential than people with laziness.

[Objective Scrutator]

I have always heard that the left-right spectrum originates from the French Revolution; the ones who sat the furthest to the left were the anarchists, then to the right of them were the Jacobins. The furthest right were the monarchists, then the constitutional monarchists, then the constitutionalists.
This conception arose before Marx and Engels, yet due to their influence I would agree with you in using adherence to Marx and Engels as a benchmark for how Leftist an individual is; the only person who has nearly as much intellectual influence on the Left is Keynes.

The circular continuum theory is also bogus, and IIRC the academians today call it “Horseshoe Theory”. It has been gaining in popularity in recent days due to the establishment despising Trump, and on first glance despising Sanders (I believe Sanders’ campaign is carefully controlled by Hillary to test how far she can push the Overton Window to the left without backlash). One of their arguments is that both Trump supporters and Sanders supporters oppose free trade, and are more “isolationist” than the “mainstream politicians”. In the UK, they claim that UKIP and old-school Marxists like Corbyn are pro-Brexit, while the “center” is pro-EU.

The Horseshoe Theory proponents, of course, fail to admit that groups such as Trump supporters and Bernie supporters would disagree on such actions as how to go about dismantling NAFTA. A Trump supporter is interested in preserving social cohesion via incentivizing jobs to be located in America; a Sanders supporter would argue that NAFTA inadequately promotes Marxism, or perhaps would argue the anarcho-syndicalist/environmentalist viewpoint that NAFTA keeps us from getting rid of all technology and living in caves. When you compare anarcho-capitalists to anarcho-socialists, they would agree on “no government”, but they differ on what “no government” entails, how to reach a society with no government, and what form of government to settle on in a pragmatic sense.

So, when politics is reduced to “A supports X and opposes Y; B supports Y and opposes X”, the Horeshoe Theory seems appealing, yet WHY A supports X and the ultimate goal behind A supporting X... These are far more important.

[ChessExpert]

Thanks for the excellent post.

You are right, it is a “Horseshoe theory,” as the ends don’t quite meet. As we’ve both said, is nonsense.

I’ve never taken anarchism seriously. But apparently it is more than a theoretical abstraction, having support from real people - even leading to anarchist terrorism.

I’m a proponent of laissez-faire economics. Consequently, one liberal accused me of being an anarchist! Not so, as I believe that there are some functions that are inherently governmental.

I believe in spontaneous order. This idea is accepted (often insisted upon) by people who believe in evolution. The idea of spontaneous order seems to have started in economics and migrated to biology. As landmarks, Adam Smith wrote about 100 years before Charles Darwin.

I find it easier to believe that intelligent human beings, serving their customers, collectively succeed even beyond their individual efforts, than to believe that chemicals became life, then became the vast array of complex life about us. Such is the power of education/indoctrination that most high school / college educated Americans see it the other way around: evolution is dogma, laissez-faire is wrong.

[TomasUSMC]

The Young English Liberal will be surprised that not all are wimps like him. Scotland will not go into the EU, Northern Ireland will stay like they are.

....and the young liberal wimp will move to San Fransicko.

[TomasUSMC]

The graph proves that clearly the question was

I M M I G R A T I O N.

[SGNA]

Definitely immigration, welfare class, and the indoctrinated dumbed-down younger generation.

Same as here.

[Zeneta]

When they poured across the border
I was cautioned to surrender,
this I could not do;
I took my gun and vanished.
I have changed my name so often,
I’ve lost my wife and children
but I have many friends,
and some of them are with me.

An old woman gave us shelter,
kept us hidden in the garret,
then the soldiers came;
she died without a whisper.

There were three of us this morning
I’m the only one this evening
but I must go on;
the frontiers are my prison.

Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing,
through the graves the wind is blowing,
freedom soon will come;
then we’ll come from the shadows.

Les Allemands étaient chez moi (The Germans were at my home)
ils m’ont dit “Résigne-toi” (They said, “Surrender,”)
mais je n’ai pas pu (this I could not do)
j’ai repris mon arme (I took my weapon again)

J’ai changé cent fois de nom (I have changed names a hundred times)
j’ai perdu femme et enfants (I have lost wife and children)
mais j’ai tant d’amis (But I have so many friends)
j’ai la France entière (I have all of France)

Un vieil homme dans un grenier (An old man, in an attic)
pour la nuit nous a cachés (Hid us for the night)
les Allemands l’ont pris (The Germans captured him)
il est mort sans surprise (He died without surprise)

Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing,
through the graves the wind is blowing,
freedom soon will come;
then we’ll come from the shadows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RYy_8u4blk