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Munich gunman fixated on mass killing, had no Islamist ties
reuters.com ^ | Jul 23, 2016 | Joern Poltz and Karin Strohecker

Posted on 07/23/2016 1:32:55 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

A German-Iranian teenager who shot dead nine people in Munich was a deranged lone gunman obsessed with mass killings who drew no inspiration from Islamist militancy, police said on Saturday.

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TOPICS: Germany
KEYWORDS: alisonboly; germany; islam; islamicterror; islamicterrorism; islamicterrorists; munich; munichmassacre; munichterrorattack; muslimterror; muslimterrorists; sonboly
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To: Berlin_Freeper

[Meanwhile, the French are now actively destroying evidence.]

INFO LE FIGARO — An urgent legal requisition was sent to the urban supervision center of Nice on Wednesday, July 20. The Paris prosecutor expresses a desire to “avoid the uncontrolled dissemination of these images.”

Panic and incomprehension in the office of mayor of Nice. On Wednesday at 11am the Anti-Terrorism Sub-Directorate (SDAT) sent agents who manage video surveillance of the city a requisition citing Articles 53 and L706-24 of the Code of Criminal Procedure and Article R642-1 of the Penal Code, asking them for a “complete” erasure of 24 hours of images from six cameras named and numbered, but also of all the scenes from the beginning of the attack that took place on the Promenade des Anglais, on the night of July 14.

The state agents of the urban supervision center of Nice are stunned. “This is the first time we have been asked to destroy evidence,” says a source close to the investigation. “The CCTV center and the city of Nice could be prosecuted for this, and also the officers in charge of the device don’t have jurisdiction to engage in such operations.”

We do not know that giving a destruction order while we are in full backup is not going to affect the whole system,” the investigators say with concern.

Contacted by Le Figaro, the Paris prosecutor’s office confirmed the information and said: “This was done in this case to prevent the uncontrolled and unchecked dissemination of these images.” The national police remind that “out of the thousand cameras in Nice, 140 had elements relevant to the investigation. The police recovered 100% of them. The Judicial Police and prosecutors have asked for the pictures from these 140 cameras to be deleted, to prevent malicious use of them, concerned for the dignity of the victims and to prevent the reproduction of these images by jihadist websites for propaganda purposes.” Finally, at the chancery, it is specified that the application of a “complete” erasure is explained by the inability to undertake partial destruction of such equipment.

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61 posted on 07/23/2016 3:14:44 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Reuter is a toilet, I don’t need their crap. (not aimed at you BF)


62 posted on 07/23/2016 3:16:26 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Isn’t it amazing that it can take days or weeks to do proper investigations but they can come to this conclusion 24hrs after the chaos?

First, it is trying to prove a negative. You can’t know. Maybe he had a new friend nobody knew about that radicalized him. Maybe he knew how to cover his tracks online.

It’s quite insulting for them to assume we’ll all just go “oh, ok then”.


63 posted on 07/23/2016 3:22:33 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: exDemMom
The idea that many of these Muslim killers have no ties to militant Islamic groups is actually more worrisome than if they did have those ties. Because it means that the ideology itself is sufficient to cause violence. It isn’t because they fell in with the wrong people, who encourage them to violence and shore up their resolve to become martyrs—it’s because the ideology itself precipitates violent thought and action.

Excellent point.

64 posted on 07/23/2016 3:39:58 PM PDT by stayathomemom ( Read Shadow Men and The Progressive Virus by Dr. Anthony Napoleon)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Bull shit!!


65 posted on 07/23/2016 3:40:53 PM PDT by GregB (Prayers for Griffin.)
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To: maggief

Particularly in this attack, regardless of motive, we saw the facts distorted and ignored to fit The Agenda as the events were happening. This means history itself is being changed as well. I know it happens to one degree or another, but this time, with Shep and his nazi boots, right-wing madman, theory being blasted across the world, it’s scary.


66 posted on 07/23/2016 3:43:27 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Could I have read somewhere that it is actual official German government policy to deny the Islam/terror connection?


67 posted on 07/23/2016 3:44:15 PM PDT by stayathomemom ( Read Shadow Men and The Progressive Virus by Dr. Anthony Napoleon)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
* Muslim name
* Shouts "Allahu Akhbar" while murdering children
* Goes on murder spree on the Muslim Congregation day.
* Not an Islamist, just one of the moderate 99% that can be triggered at any time.
68 posted on 07/23/2016 3:49:09 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: BeauBo

You missed Trump voter....


69 posted on 07/23/2016 3:49:40 PM PDT by nevergore
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To: fuzzylogic

Yes, insulting, but virtually all of the liberals will indeed just say “oh OK, then”..... and go right back to attacking and smearing all who raise alarms about jihadists on parade.


70 posted on 07/23/2016 3:55:10 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: SE Mom

I agree, SE Mom. The spin and re-writing is strong here. We watched this unfold LIVE.

Recapping recent events ...

Lynch meeting with Bill in Phoenix,

Comey passing on a Hillary indictment,

Wikileaks DNC leaks,

MSM Munich ‘white’-washing.

...

Is the Clinton Crime Family cashing in their chips?

If H wins, I don’t know if there is a point of return.


71 posted on 07/23/2016 4:00:29 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Truth just doesn’t matter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/SandFire?src=hash

Meanwhile, this is OT, but Holy Cow check out fire in LA...can’t believe no cali freeper has thread..


72 posted on 07/23/2016 4:08:06 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: maggief

It’s amazing...looking at all the events you just posted.

Somewhere today I read the muslim woman was NOT the only witness to hear allahu akbar..


73 posted on 07/23/2016 4:17:29 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

More of Obama’s “workplace violence”? “Allahu Akbar”!!!
and NOTHING to do with Islamic Terrorists, NOTHING AT ALL!!
Cover the corpses and move along, move along!!!


74 posted on 07/23/2016 4:30:13 PM PDT by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: SE Mom

Watching many of these ‘terror’ episodes unfold, this had to be the most obvious and quickest MSM u-turns I’ve ever seen.

WHY HOLD A 2AM (8 PM ET) PRESSER ON A SAME-DAY ‘TERROR’ ATTACK?!

What time was H scheduled to make her much anticipated VP announcement?

This IS scary.


75 posted on 07/23/2016 4:32:41 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Jim Robinson

No replies?


76 posted on 07/23/2016 4:33:40 PM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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To: Enchante; headstamp 2; Mrs. Don-o; JesusIsLord; Nifster; Twinkie; SE Mom; Kid Shelleen
> "It sounds totally credible and I see no reason to doubt the veracity of this witness."

What's significant is that he was an Iranian-German who held dual citizenship, and that the shooting was not a rightwing reaction to immigration, as some persons had suggested. On the other hand, the claim that he shouted "Allahu akbar" is doubtful, to say the least.

The claim stems from the telephone remarks of someone identified only as Lauretta. She was found soon after the initial attack when a reporter called businesses in the vicinity of McDonalds in hopes of finding a witness.

I'd like to believe what she said because it serves the cause of anti-Islamization, but she makes several claims that bring her testimony into question. 1) That her son saw the shooter loading his pistol in the bathroom, and that she herself was only "two centimeters" away from him when he started shooting. That's possible, but unlikely.

As for the loading, the shooting hadn't started yet. Why wouldn't he have brought his gun from home already loaded? And would he have started shooting with someone just "two centimeters" away, and possibly in a position to subdue him (or, at least, impede him enough to allow others to do so)? I doubt it.

2) Most important -- she claims that he shot children inside McDonalds -- "the children were sitting to eat". As far as I know, no one was shot inside. A video shows him standing outside, in front of McDonalds, and firing at people who are approaching. If anyone has information that bodies were found inside, please post it. Until then I'm forced to assume that her story is a fabrication.

Two CNN YouTube videos (each contains part of the story): How the supposed witness was found, "Allahu Akbar" claim.

77 posted on 07/23/2016 4:46:06 PM PDT by GJones2 (Munich shooter was Iranian-German, but "Allahu ackbar" doubtful)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Probably at his local mosque.


78 posted on 07/23/2016 5:07:05 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (At least Richard Nixon had the decency to resign when caught in wrong doing.)
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To: GJones2

re: “two centimeters” I think it’s just an expression to say that she was shocked at how close he was. of course he was more than just a few cm away. She said she came out of the bathroom... so she wasn’t right there as he decided to begin shooting. Some things do sound surprising, I agree about that, such as that he would shoot with his back to the bathroom door(s) where he might be vulnerable to attack from behind. But he may have started shooting very quickly after emerging from the bathroom. As for loading the gun there, sure that seems odd, but the very quirkiness makes it seem plausible, i.e., why would she fabricate such a detail?? why??? It is not what would occur to anyone making up a story about this kind of thing.

I don’t see any reason to suppose that someone reached by phone in a neighboring store while the shooter might still be around the area would care to fabricate such an account. What possible motive could she have to make up such a story??? It’s far too simple to be the work of a scheming mind.


79 posted on 07/23/2016 5:19:02 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: GJones2

re: inside vs outside the McDonalds, probably both

The short video we have all seen, in front of the McDonalds, certainly does not show bodies all over the place. We are told that he shot 36 people (9 dead and 27 wounded are the figures I have seen). It certainly did not look like he shot 36 people in front of the McDonalds. Probably there was shooting inside as well as outside.


80 posted on 07/23/2016 5:22:23 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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