Posted on 08/25/2016 5:44:33 AM PDT by servo1969
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump continued to insist Wednesday in a "Hannity" town hall with Fox News' Sean Hannity that there will be "no amnesty" for illegal immigrants, but suggested that he would be willing to "work with them."
His remarks were the latest in a series of recent interviews where he has said he is considering softening a previous pledge made at the onset of his campaign to deport 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. During a "Hannity" town hall on Tuesday, Trump said he was open to "softening" laws dealing with illegal immigrants.
On Wednesday, Trump told Hannity there would be "no citizenship" for those illegal immigrants.
"Let me go a step further- they'll pay back-taxes, they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty, as such, there's no amnesty, but we work with them," Trump said.
He also spoke of how hard it would be to deport people who have lived in the country for decades and raised a family.
"Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out," Trump said. "But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they've said, 'Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough, Mr. Trump,' I have it all the time! It's a very, very hard thing."
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I don’t know how many times in that interview Donald repeated, “All we have to do is follow the laws that are on the books”. Everything else is crap inserted by people who wish to stop his Presidency. At worst that is a clarification of position. At best, it is exactly what the nation and the real Latino Community want, they just won’t hear about it without spin.
“I do think he’s toying around now...getting the Dems off-balance...and it’s working.”
He’s taking the issue off the table for the debates. Hillary will give them immediate legal status, Trump will take a more pragmatic approach. Americans will go for Trump on it. Same reason he supported the gays after the shooting in Orlando. Topic is off the table.
Trump is removing all social issues from the liberal narrative. It’s strategery.
“Remove incentives for their coming and being here and they’ll go. It’s very simple, and why Trump isn’t talking about it is a mystery to me.”
Agreed. Turning off the magnet that draws them across the border, is the most effective thing we can do, to stop illegal immigration. As long as they’re rewarded for jumping the border, they’ll continue to do it. Remove the incentives, and it will stop.
You’d think that someone so adept at strategies and tactics (as Trump is) would make those dynamics the central focus of his solution to the problem.
You want to stop any crime? Simply take away the incentives for committing it.
This is very depressing. Without offloading these massive numbers America will not be our own children’s country. Very sad....
““Taxation without representation” will be the rallying cry from the extremists as their efforts toward citizenship shift into full-time high gear, knowing that 20-40 million citizens equals permanent democrat control. Trump cannot yield on the status of illegals.”
So you make their visa - or whatever it would be called - contingent upon their agreement to be permanently ineligible to vote in a US election (at any level of government). 99% of all illegals offered that option would JUMP on it.
Frankly I think there are twice as many in this country as we are told. When I consider the action it will take to shove them all out I remember the time I had to evict the borders living in my mothers house at the time of her death. I couldn’t just walk in and tell them that she was dead, and they had to move out asap. I had to get ‘em out according to the law.
That took FOUR months, and I was only able to move that quickly because I knew basics on how to evict, and I got really damn lucky with a surrogate judge granting me emergency Admin powers. Otherwise those vermin would have been in that house living free for about 16 months!
In the end, one “self deported” early because he saw the light, another went quietly after the judge ruled in my favor (I had to bring a separate case for each rat), but the third one - well he was a peach! I had to hire a constable to get rid of him, and he stole every bit of my mothers belongings on his way out. I was forced to watch him and his helpers carry my mothers things right past me, and under the law there was nothing that I could do.
If Trump gets elected we can see a similar thing happen. Some will quickly self deport on the fear that it will go worse for them if they don’t or that the gravy train hit a wall and pickins won’t be as easy as they like. Some (few) will keep on keeping on and when served with deportation papers, leave and go back across the border. Some will put up an ugly fight. Regardless, they will have to be dealt with legally = time consuming.
If the onus is put on employers to make certain the employees are legal, HUGE difference. Go after the employers and you have solved half the problem.
End birthright citizenship for any and every individual who was born to a mother/parents who are not legally in our country. This Trump stated he will do.
Stop welfare for illegals - and they self deport.
End sanctuary cities. Trump has said that he wants to do that. Excellent move.
TONS of things can be done that do not require rounding up people and going through lengthy court battles. I expect Trump is smart enough to know these things, and to know enough not to telegraph too much.
Just as when anyone breaks the law, they have to pay a fine, or serve a jail sentence..
What Trump seems to be indicating is that once the illegals have paid their fines, or back taxes, they can begin a process to become legally in the country.
That seems fair to me. Once you have paid your debt, you get a fresh start.
“Priority given to those with US citizen children.”
I don’t accept the notion that children born in this country to foreign nationals are U.S. citizens.
14th Amendment: “...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...”
Neither foreign nationals or their children, are subject to the jurisdiction of this country. So-called birthright citizenship is only held in place by the illiterate reading of that amendment.
In all honesty we will never get rid of 100% of the illegals. Its just not going to happen.
If Trump builds the wall, tells the Border Patrol to do their job and starts tracking down Visa overstays we get rid of a lot of them. Just enforcing the law will scare many others into self deportation.
Out of say 20 million illegals how many do you believe have been here for 15-20 years, raised a family and kept a job? What 2-3 million? If we could get rid of al but 2-3 million color me happy.
“They are holding down jobs that could be filled with citizens.”
——Does anyone here really believe that some kind of deportation force would go over with the mass public? Everyone on here who saw on TV (and you know it would be played 24/7) a family being dragged out of their home screaming and crying and taken to the border would be on here saying how bad they feel, and Trump shouldn’t be doing this. Remember Abu Ghraib? If Trump did that he his approval would be at 5%.
So all those saying if he doesn’t have Deportation Force they are not voting for him need can’t be real supporters. Trump isn’t/hasn’t changed his immigration stance. He has said all along that the “good ones” here working the Gov’t can work with either by sending them home and let them come back, or work out some process to get them legal.
All this hand-wringing is exactly what the MSM, GOPE, and Hillary Campaign are doing to drive a wedge between Trump and his supporters. And if all you nay-Sayers fall for the rhetoric then you’ll get the Gov’t you want - 8 years of Hillary Clinton and a Supreme Court that is uber liberal for several generations.
“Get on the deportation bus from jail, or get on voluntarily. How’s that work for ya?”
It doesn’t matter what we accept in terms of how judges will see the law. By our current law, and until that is changed by act of Congress and ultimately a clarification of the 14th Amendment(?), judges will come down on the side of those children being US citizens. They already have.
I can argue with it, but that’s the reality and why Trump says that anchor baby laws must be changed.
Even then, they will not remove ‘ex post facto’ the citizenship of one who already has it. They will prevent it from happening again after the new law is enacted.
A lot of Freepers commenting on this obviously did not watch the town hall. Instead, they’ll take Fox News’ word on what he said, all while asserting that they NEVER believe the mainstream media.
Hannity was PUSHING to get him to make accommodations for nice IA’s already here. Then they did the hand-raising activity and the majority of feel goods supported the notion. Very bad. There are GAZILLIONS of them here people!!! You are giving away your kid’s country.
I don’t think we aren’t allowed to say *anything* negative about Trump, or else I would’ve been banned long ago.
We aren’t allowed to say “don’t vote for Trump” and/or “vote for Hillary in protest” or other similar nonsense who’s only goal is to foster a sabotage of the only viable opposition to the Beast. And that’s perfectly fair.
I have every intention of voting for Trump and I would never advocate voting for Hillary, for any reason. As long as anyone sticks to that position of course criticism of Trump is allowed (if you’re willing to endure some flames for it because FR is pretty pro Trump right now. )
I criticized him just the other day for this though and I’m not banned. He’s actually been remarkably consistent on this issue I just don’t know where some of the Shocked Sally’s have been. He’s said virtually from day one that we should be “firm but fair” and “let the good ones back in”. He’s telegraphed from day one how he’s pro-amnesty (of course he doesn’t call it that but it is what it is in effect). Some around here were clearly not paying attention during the primary.
Well, to such Jonny Come Latelys I say: welcome to the party pal! (as John McClaine said in Die Hard).
I’m voting for him to nominate SC justices and deport illegals (even understanding he may let “the good ones back in). Something is better than the nothing we have now! Anything above and beyond that is gravy (but I don’t think anything more will happen, including actually building the wall). I think it’s delusion and fantasy to believe and expect more of him.
But there’s no choice now, not if I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror and say honestly, “I tried everything I reasonably could to stop the scourge of socialism from destroying this country”. (Not that I believe a Trump presidency will even do that most likely it won’t, but a Hail Mary pass is at least something better than nothing)
I think changing the wording of the 14th Amendment would set a bad precedent. Eventually we’d wind up re-writing the entire Constitution, in a battle of the meaning of words.
Libs already have found innumerable rights not expressed in the Constitution, and have rejected rights and rules specifically set forth in plain language in that document.
The solution isn’t to change the document. The solution is to put a stop to them re-interpreting it to benefit their anti-American agenda.
There’s nothing wrong with the wording of the 14th. The problem is, and always will be, the intentional twisting of its meaning.
In my opinion it isn't clear BECAUSE people can argue over the meaning of 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. Until that is clarified, a judge can interpret it at whim.
Trump’s plan for those still here is almost identical with that of Jeb.
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Well, gbscott1954, you are exactly correct, (a little Ted Cruz lingo, there) but that “almost” is mighty small! For starters, Trump has a history of actually doing what he says he will do. JEB! and his Bush Crime family don’t like Donald J. Trump, so that should tell you something is different.
Have you ever looked into how many criminal cases are settled by “working with” the defendant? It is called a “plea bargain”. It is how most cases are settled.
Those people in the audience were Trump supporters - and 90% seemed to want to accommodate, at least on some level, the illegals already here. I was very surprised to see that.
There is so much that can be done to make our country a lot less appealing to gate crashers - and I think that would be the most effective way to handle the bulk of the problem. But Americans are largely somewhat sympathetic to these people already here. I am not. I want every last one dragged out of this country kicking and crying.
That being said ...
I won’t get my way though, and I am not going to blame that on Trump. Even if he were made Supreme Emperor he would not have that kind of power. HOWEVER, Trump is a problem solver, and he certainly knows of ways to get many to self-deport without turning this into another Elian Gonzalez fiasco.
After the open border policies of both parties for decades it will take a long while and a deft touch to get things going in the right direction. Trump wants to do that - NO ONE ELSE DOES. He wants to be a bit compassionate - I get that. But the man is no fool, nor is he a bleeding heart.
He is American first, and fully.
The only “work” should be making them complete one mile of wall before herding them back where they came from.
He already did.
One final question. If Trump had come out with these ideas 6 months ago, would you have been so gung ho for him?
Don't blame me. I voted for Cruz.
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