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To: Swordmaker
All Apple products in Europe come from Ireland.

This is just one of the many untrue statements that you have made. I assume that this is some type of Apple style legalese because not all Apple products sold in Europe are manufactured in Ireland which is what you are implying. This is easy to verify. It is similar to many of the other misleading statements that you have made at the same time that you loudly accused me of being dishonorable along with a string of other insults and smears. Shame on you! I did not realize how low that you would stoop to defend the company.

You also have accused me of using only disreputable sources such as Business Insider and Breitbart. I would like to ad another source, Forbes. Do you consider them to be disreputable also?

“How Does Apple Avoid Taxes?” from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/leesheppard/2013/05/28/how-does-apple-avoid-taxes/#1d882dc4d6f7

Just a couple quotes from the article:

“Apple set up some Irish subsidiaries a mere four years after it was founded. Foreign sales, which account for 60% of Apple’s profits, are routed through these Irish subsidiaries and taxed nowhere.”

“Beneath the holding company is an Irish principal company that holds the contracts with Apple’s Chinese contract manufacturers and owns the inventory they produce. It also claims tax residence nowhere, despite having paid some tax to Ireland in recent years, but at rate far below the statutory rate.”

After your derogatory rants I feel it is safer to stick mostly to quotes, but it is obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense that Apple plays fast and loose with the rules for financial gain, and then pays a small army of lawyers to get them out of difficulty. They also have clearly stated that they are firmly against Trump and are doing everything they can to get Hillary elected. Very few companies make their political intentions so clear.

52 posted on 08/31/2016 12:05:25 AM PDT by fireman15 (The USA will be toast if the Democrats are able to take the Presidency in 2016)
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To: fireman15
This is just one of the many untrue statements that you have made. I assume that this is some type of Apple style legalese because not all Apple products sold in Europe are manufactured in Ireland which is what you are implying. This is easy to verify. It is similar to many of the other misleading statements that you have made at the same time that you loudly accused me of being dishonorable along with a string of other insults and smears. Shame on you! I did not realize how low that you would stoop to defend the company.

Look, idiot. Now you are distorting what I said. I did not say they were "MANUFACTURED" in Ireland, although the some of the European iMacs are manufactured in Apple's factory there, just as Apple makes iMacs here in California in Elk Grove. I said they were transshipped from Ireland. Some products are drop shipped from China. But the are ordered through Ireland. Ireland is where the orders go. The low person here is the liar who accuses people of CRIMES on absolutely no evidence such a crime has occurred merely because you WANT it to have occurred.

You keep going back for OLD articles, 2014, now 2013. . . digging to find some dirt which is based on someone's suspicions and theories, again not based on any evidence.

This Forbes article is based that VERY committee I already told you about that did not do its homework and was roundly slapped down in hearings when Apple came in with its AUDITED TAX RETURNS showing that those profits were TAXED in the United States, not "taxed nowhere" as the committee researchers were falsely claiming! In fact, as I told you, that same committee researchers were claiming that Apple had paid ZERO taxes. They also claimed that General Electric had paid ZERO TAXES. . . but were ignoring that General Electric was now a FRENCH company and paid the vast majority of their income taxes in FRANCE! These researchers were college interns who were essentially incompetents, which made them IDIOTS who did not understand how international Income Taxation works in the modern world and did not bother to ask any experts. They had built a house of straw in their reports. . . but it had little fact to back up their conclusions. Just as you don't have any facts to back up your assertions.

That is why you ARE an idiot. You grab things you find and post them yelling "GOTCHA!" without knowing the whole story and don't bother to do the heavy lifting research. Fireman, you have to remember I have been posting these stories, both pro and con for over 12 years on FreeRepublic and researching them long before you came on to Apple threads and THOUGHT you could publish something I don't know about. I am also educated as an Economist and have BEEN a CEO. I know a lot more about the laws and facts behind these things than do you. I follow them.

"“Apple set up some Irish subsidiaries a mere four years after it was founded. Foreign sales, which account for 60% of Apple’s profits, are routed through these Irish subsidiaries and taxed nowhere.”

It was those VERY accusations that brought Tim Cook to Washington to testify, under oath, before the Senate investigative committee and BRING IN APPLE'S US TAX RETURNS which showed that Apple's PROFITS were entirely TAXED! He answered the questions under grilling from those SAME DAMN RESEARCHERS who couldn't find the facts for themselves! Cook's testimony on VIDEO is available on the Internet if you'd care to view it. I posted it on FreeRepublic when he made it and others on FR saw it, and discussed it.

The committee made all kinds of assumptions based on ZERO evidence and that is what is reported in this Forbes article. Just because it is published in Forbes does NOT mean it is TRUE. WAKE UP!

Do some research beyond picking and choosing articles that meet your biases. Read everything that follows it as well, not just the initial press.

You make HUGE leaps of logic and post them as if they are facts. Here are more of your leaps of logic that play fast and loose with the facts:

"After your derogatory rants I feel it is safer to stick mostly to quotes, but it is obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense that Apple plays fast and loose with the rules for financial gain, and then pays a small army of lawyers to get them out of difficulty."

I have yet to see you retract your claims of "Tax Evasion" which you made with ZERO evidence, or your claims that Apple lied on its AUDITED tax returns or on its AUDITED Financial Statements. Until you are willing to do that, you ARE a dishonorable liar. I am calling you what you are. You lie making statements you have no evidence to back up, and you refuse to recant or admit you made an error. That is a person without honor.

I find it amazing that anyone on FreeRepublic is on the side of the SOCIALIST TAX and SPENDERS in Europe who want to grab everything for themselves they can get their hands on and want to do it by RETROACTIVELY changing the tax laws and ignoring the treaties that established that their member countries had tax law and regulation autonomy.

53 posted on 08/31/2016 12:47:06 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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