Posted on 08/31/2016 2:38:47 PM PDT by fishtank
Do Creation Scientists Publish in Mainstream Journals?
by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
If ICR scientists are “real” scientists, then they should publish in respected, peer-reviewed, mainstream journals, right? In fact, many have.1 But mainstream journal editors’ zeal for naturalism can keep them from fairly analyzing contrasting views on origins—leading them to say “no” to quality creation science.
Science reviewers and journal editors serve as gatekeepers, closing the gate to prevent bad science from reaching the printed page. For example, they are right to reject a submitted article if its conclusions rest more on speculation than on results.2 But they can also close the gate for unscientific reasons.
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“Creation scientists” are ignorant of both faith and science.
Faith and science can be contradictory and it doesn’t prove there is no God.
Scientific understanding is not static, yet “creation scientists” use this fundamental aspect of scientific inquiry to as “proof” that all science is wrong unless it has a basis in the bible.
They are the most faithless of Christians and the most unaccomplished scientists.
Somehow this adds up to a conspiracy against them, of course.
I believe that God created the heavens and the Earth. I also believe that He told mankind about it in a way that the people of the time could understand. “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day” was comprehensible to people two thousand years ago; millions and billions would only be confusing. But He gave us the intelligence to discover facts like the time it takes for radioactive elements to decay, which show that Earth can not be as new as 6,000 years. He also said that He loves us. I believe that too.
Thanks!
They were bookmarked a looooong time ago, but I’d forgotten to put them on my regular rotation!
Fixed that just now.
So you say, “there are no creation scientists”.
My response:
http://creation.com/creation-scientists
Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation
Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Markus Blietz, Astrophysicist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Tim Gilmour, Electrical Engineer
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John G. Leslie, biochemistry, molecular biology, medicine, biblical archaeology
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr David Pace, Organic Chemistry
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr Albert E. Pye, invertebrate zoology, biotechnology, biological control (1945–2012)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist (1923–2012)
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineer
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
Would you care to compare your list of peer-reviewed journal articles with the average of the list of those CREATION scientists?
“If a geography publication received a submission that purported to show the earth was flat then would you expect them to publish that as well? “
If a CLIMATOLOGY publication received a submission that purported to show the earth was NOT WARMING then would you expect them to publish that as well?
Isn’t it amazing that the work Schroeder has done has not been picked up by any mainstream publication? If it was, it would stop all of the “smart” non-creationists from being able to bash believers....
Yes, there have been refinements to things like the age of the universe -- but, by only a few percentage points.
I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream publication". From the creationist side? Or the scientific side?
As I said, Schroeder's science is quite good, so I'd expect little argument from that quarter.
As for the YEC folks, unfortunately, I find them so irrevocably wedded to the "six earthly-rotation days" -- that the most vocal of them will believe HRC is a saint before they will even allow the relativistic time view to be mentioned.
The truly sad thing is, when you force them right back to basics, it's not the Bible that is their guide, but their basic ego-driven certainty that THEY must be the center of the Universe -- or their entire religion crumbles to nothing... I know of a couple who literally tremble, stutter and drool whenever that personal egocentrism is threatened.
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What a liberation it was to discover that I, a physical scientist, could study and rejoice at the full majesty of God's creative genius and might -- without either shaking my confidence in the validity of what my scientific measurements were telling me -- OR disturbing my faith in Him and the inerrant truth of His recorded Word!!!
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In fact, I'm intending to contact Schroder and seek his reaction to my long-time work on graphically depicting the harmony between Biblical Creation, and the explosion of scientific information that space-based instruments, etc. are feeding us.
Via FReepMail, I'm privately sending you a link to a graphic "summary frame" -- that is the near-culmination of a detailed video that starts -- before time=zero... (or, "In the beginning, God...")
Note that the upper half gives "our scientific view" and the lower half gives the Biblical view -- and they match and mesh perfectly -- once you, like Schroeder and I, accept "relatavistic time"!
FReepMail (with URL) waiting for you...
Sorry- by “mainstream” I meant media, like New York Times, Washington Post, etc. Agreed on all else you say below!
In this article, Schroeder shows his humility to being corrected. Now, he calculates 13.6 billion years-
http://geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/?page_id=53
I got to meet Schroeder in person 18 months ago and have very seriously considered going to sit with him in Jerusalem for his classes. He leaves them open and welcomes all people to listen to him.
Thank you for the Freepmail!
The question is neither blasphemous nor trivial. The knowledge base (and language) of the nomadic herdsman/men who received the revelation of Genesis were so limited that the concept of "galaxy" almost certainly did not exist in their time.
(The answer is that they could see two galaxies from the Holy Land's latitude:
It is extremely doubtful that they perceived them as the same sort of thing -- or had a name for that thing.
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But, God gave humankind the brains to build tools to observe his Creation -- and now, we bear the responsibility that comes with having this sort of magnificently-expanded knowledge of His Creation. (Enjoy the video...)
Do we not, then, bear proportionally greater responsibility for an expanded knowledge and awe of Him -- and of his incomprehensible power and creative majesty?
Or, does your definition of, "the biblical account of creation" allow for the concept of relativistic time?
(The above questions bear on their validity as "scientists"...)
When will your video be completed and made public? Sometime I can tell you a story about shepherds in Mongolia and what they learned from the stars. It is fascinating.
Right now, I'm in the tedious agony of narrating and video-editing a film on the espionage system set up by HRC in the DOS...
Though I have had some highly-respected YEC collaborators over many years here at FR, I have always been perplexed by their apparent notions about time. It seems that time, for them, is a series of events, a chain of causation, that proceeds in only one irreversible direction, in a relentlessly linear fashion. There is no "up" or down"; there is only the (finite) straight line. But because we can speak of "events," we have measurable quantities.
Well, so far, so good -- so far as the mortal body is concerned. It is fully subject to the tender mercies of "events" in space and time as summarized in the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Its changes go according to this law, and they can be measured and quantified by science.
But what does any of this have to do with Life, or with the immortal soul? Neither proceeds along such a "timeline." Both utterly transcend it.
A very great poet -- T. S. Eliot -- put this problem succinctly:
Man lives at the intersection of time and timelessness.So, I wonder, if YECSs really do hold that "biological time" -- i.e., time as we humans normally experience it during the course of our normal lives without any thought at all, that is to say time as finite, sequential, and linear -- then where does the eternal human soul "live" in such a time order? Certainly, GOD DOESN'T!
I hate to say it, but I've often been struck by the similarity in reasoning and habits/methods of thought between die-hard Darwinists and folks of YEC persuasion.... Both communities seem ultimately wedded to a doctrine, which has become an object of worship in itself. It becomes the filter through which all of Reality is to be viewed....
Talk about "relativity!" Einstein, who unified space and time, told us to expect that any observer could observe only that which can be observed from his own individual point of view, or inertial frame....
Dear TX, I viewed the graphic you sent me via FReepMail. Just beautiful, and so TRUE! It successfully reconciles Genesis I and state-of-the-art scientific cosmology....
Just one more thing before I close: If the YEC insists that God's creation took "six earthly-rotation days" calculated (By Bishop Ussher) as 6,000 years, then isn't he implying that God's Creation took place in human time?
Which would mean that God is not the Creator....
Thank you so much for writing, dear Brother!
Young lady, that lengthy absence deserves an explanation!
Well, I can’t wait to see the current video you are working on! Is Sid Blumenthal featured?!
No, Sid Vicious is a side issue; I’m trying to keep it as simple and straightforward as possible. Trust me; it is plenty damaging without Sid...
Oh, I'm still around, still a regular monthly supporter of this great conservative forum. Mostly, I've just been reading, not commenting much. Twice I almost replied to a post from you. But it would have been something along the lines of, "Gee, I agree with you completely!" Not very interesting.
Mainly, I've been fairly "speechless" lately.... :^)
But I'm staying tuned!
Thanks so much for writing, dear brother in Christ!
Went with the church to the lifesize Ark replica in Williamstown, Kentucky 2 weeks ago. Definitely worth it.
The best part for me was simply the IMMENSITY of the craft. It is YUUUGE!
Ken Ham is a young earth creationist for the most part, I believe, but his displays were very well done. So, if you’re ever in northern Kentucky, it warrants a trip.
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