[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

If you care so much about imagined problems of dumping sludge in rivers,

Ok, so you don't see a moral problem with it. Fine, that's all I was asking. No need to rave on.

[BlackElk]

Hey, Clive, if, as you say, there is no need to rave on, don't!

The sooner this sorry excuse for a pope is gone the better. If he is YOUR idea of a pope, that's all anyone needs to know about Clive.

Maybe Frankie needs to be consistent and insist on being recycled into Soylent Green instead of buried in sacred ground as the "patron saint" of mindless marxism.