Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in ´most severe ever´ rationing in the NHS

Telegraph ^ | 9/4/16 | Henry Bodkin

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

I told her that it would be better for her health to try to ambulate, instead of using a wheelchair.

From the perspective of fat psychology, this would be like sticking a pitchfork into her. It's baffling, because clearly you care more about this person than her destructive enabler friends who tell her whatever she wants to hear.

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[No Socialist]

“The complex and sophisticated rationalizations that fat people invent to justify fatitude, is one reason they are a menace to society. That and they way they drive those carts at Walmart.”

That’s an idiotic thing to say. There are many people “obese” according to health charts that are perfectly fit and healthy.

My husband is 6’5” broad shoulders, big boned, works out 5 times a week, can barely pinch an inch on his waste and is overweight according to the charts. Believe me, he’s not overweight.

I am no where near riding a cart around in Wal-mart. I have a treadmill and rebounder I use 4-5 times a week.

I just refuse to starve myself and take diet pills so idiots who need to feel superior don’t look down their noses as me. I’m a size 18. I got down to a size 12 about 10 years ago by eating next to nothing, exercising 2 hours a day and taking diet pills that made my heart race and I felt physically sick and ill all the time. Not worth it. A size 12 is not a healthy weight for me and it’s still larger than alot of women. My husband told me I looked terrible and needed to stop losing weight because he was worried about me.

People who degrade other human beings for any reason are the menace.

Some people have bad genes that cause them to have high medical bills even though they are skinny and acceptable, others have high medical bills because they smoke or eat unhealthy. If you eat right, exercise, contribute to society by donating, working, paying taxes and having health insurance, you deserve the same treatment as any other human.

The medical field needs to do major work:

Time to find a humane treatment and cure for cancer
Time to find a way to treat chronic pain
Time to finally understand weight and health

[Tunehead54]

Perhaps saving others a bit of search time ...

Andy Slavitt is the Acting Administrator at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, a position he has held since May, 2014. A leader of the team which repaired healthcare.gov after its problematic rollout, he was nominated by Barack Obama to run Medicare and Medicaid in July 2015. (Source: Wikipedia)

[Redwood71]

I am a little unhappy with this. I spent 32 years in the military protecting the back sides of the citizens. It was my choice. When I left the business, I was pronounced 30% disabled because of my lungs which had been exposed to things most people hadn’t ever heard of. I turn 65 this year and have been medically retired since 2013 from everybody.

But illness doesn’t stop there. Now I breath at levels most people can’t survive on. I was forced to take steroids and three experimental drugs limited to test people, to stay alive. It is affecting my heart now and I have had two heart attacks and three surgical procedures.

While i was in the military, I was shot twice and blown up once. And there are a whole lot of people just like me that need a little help to stay independent, and in many cases, alive.

As far as I am concerned, I think some people have earned their way to not being determined to be a bad investment so they are thrown back to pain and limiting of their lives based upon the bottom line.

So for those in England, that feel there is no “excuse” for being over weight, no matter how, I hope you go through in later life, the pain and fear of facing death every day. I do. And you complain about me using a cart or a handicapped parking slot at the grocery store? First you should thank some people for slowly killing themselves so you have a Walmart. Visit a VA hospital and get a real look at reality. Might learn something.

red

[New Perspective]

Slavitt has promised that between now and January 20 he will impose massive new regulations on the Health Care sector. Who is Slavitt? The single person who controls more of the US economy and American people than anyone else right now. He is the rule maker in CMS over Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, hospital and doctor regulation and most importantly ... the re-distribution of the healthcare dollar. Regulations already imposed in August switch the payment system from Fee For Service (A provider gets paid for service perfoRmed) to VBP. Under VBP the provider is rewarded for choosing patients who have healthy lifestyles and the provider is penalized for providing service to patients with unhealthy lifestyles. Of course, providers with unhealthy lifestyles are Democrats. So then additional regulations will turn VBP into rube=goldberg complexity of counter-balancing interests in equality of distribution.

Thank you very much for posting that information. We need to stay ahead of this as much as possible but it seems like we are losing the battle for our lives.

[BatGuano]

Is it racist to say, “african-american hole?”

[New Perspective]

Well put Red, and thank you for your service.

[Trillian]

It wouldn’t surprise me if liberals found a way to shock people if they put twinkies or other snacks they don’t like in their carts.

[Lonely Bull]

My wife 5'3" 118 lbs 5 marathons over 25 1/2 marathons biking working out with machines and weights Hip replaced at 73

Then she must be fat and sedentary and lying to you this whole time!

(I've seen the idea posted elsewhere that look like this: if everyone did something or if everyone were something of which the poster approves, then there would be little or even no need for medicine, and this world would be a healthful paradise. If the posting community considers the idea worthy of a response, then the idea is quickly and easily refuted.)

[kaila]

It is already happening. No provider wants to pick patients which will increase the complication statistic for the provider. Insurance companies and hospitals are already monitoring complication rates of providers. I cannot blame the physicians for refusing to operate on these patients for this very reason.

[BBell]

[Redwood71]

New Prospective,

I have seen this problem for a number of years. Those that need, can’t get And my own world of the military is no different. The world of political correctness is just a tool to accomplish a goal, in this case financial.

I am assigned to a joint base for my followup work and like most bases/posts in the CONUS, we have a commissary. Now military people have a greater amount of disabled in percentage than the outside world. However, our person in charge of parking setups for the facility has determined that he/she should take out disabled parking and add pregnant women slots. And even when they did have disabled slots, they are further away from the door they the women’s slots. So in other words, they are giving slots to pregnant women that wanted to get that way, while punishing disabled vets that were handed what they got. Of course this is the same person that establish a Medal of Honor slot, of which I understand we have 10 of those brave people in the area, but co-assigned it to a general officer also. And with our tradition and our respect of people like this, no officer worth anything would park there to take away the slot if it was needed. So that slot sits vacant most of the time.

And it perturbs me fully when people that didn’t have to face the things some did, and still do, can sit around in their little world and say things like having a bean counter say who is sick and who isn’t thus creating a priority (peck order). And I warn you, that same possibility is written into the healthcare law and can be utilized if it isn’t already.

BTW, thanks for the thought but I chose to serve the military. It was an honorable profession when I joined. It’s got too many rules about how to fight now that I’m glad I am not hamstrung with. I wouldn’t be here if I followed all them.

You have a safe day,
red

[IrishBrigade]

I spent 32 years in the military protecting the back sides of the citizens

Thank you...your post was quite compelling...

[Drew68]

Walmart is a good example, some little 90 year old lady inching along in her walker, and getting almost run over by some fat slob racing along in one of those electric cars Walmart has.

You've touched on my latest pet peeve; those damn "mobility scooters" (paid for by Walmart shoppers) being operated by corpulent hambeasts whose mobility issues would be alleviated if only they get their fat asses off those scooters and burn off some calories walking up and down the aisles.

I'm sure some hambeast or hambeast apologist will be around shortly to tell me I just "can't see" their handicap.

[Secret Agent Man]

The doctors do not want to do ELECTIVE operations on obese people because anesthesia and the operation itself is a lot more dangerous and touchy to get right. They don’t want a high risk patient to die for something that isn’t critical. I am sure they don’t want their surgery stats to go down unnecessarily, but almost none of them got into surgery to be indifferent if their surgical patients live or die.

The INSURANCE COMPANIES however and HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS may have financial reasons behind why they don’t want to see this occur.

The doctors primarily don’t want to have someone die for something that can be postponed so they can get a better chance of successfully surviving the operation.

[Persevero]

What if an obese smoker wants a sex change operation?

Or an abortion?

[spintreebob]

Medicaid is the single biggest item in most state budgets. It is bigger than highways and police combined. Medicaid is bigger than Education in most states.

Medicaid is bigger than highways, police, Education, etc in the Federal budget.

And Medicaid is growing faster than anything else.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

I am a little unhappy with this.

If you have a legitimate mobility problem, then by all means, use the electric carts. If there are any available.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

The medical field needs to do major work:

No, it's fat people who need to do major work: squats, burpees, jumping-jacks and, most of all, life style change.