Posted on 09/14/2016 1:36:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
ROME — Pope Frances urged religious leaders on Wednesday to tell their followers that any killing carried out in the name of God is "satanic."
The pontiff made the remarks during a Mass honoring Jacques Hamel, an 85-year-old priest murdered by ISIS-supporting teenagers who stormed his church in northern France in July.
"Killing in the name of God is satanic," the pope told the ceremony in the Vatican's Domus Santa Marthae chapel. "I would like it if all religions said this, 'To kill in the name of God is satanic.'"
Fr. Jacques Hamel celebrates Mass in June.
Adel Kermiche and Abdel-Malik Nabil Petitjean, both 19, stormed the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray on July 26 and took six people hostage: Hamel, three nuns and an elderly couple.
They forced the priest to his knees and slit his throat while performing a "sort of sermon around the altar in Arabic," one of the nuns told France's BFMTV at the time.
Police shot both attackers dead as they ran out of the church shouting "Allahu Akbar," according to French officials.
"In the middle of the difficult moment that he was facing, in the middle of this tragedy that he saw coming, a gentle man, a good man, a man of brotherly love, did not lose the lucidity to accuse and say clearly the name of the assassin," the pope said on Wednesday, describing the priest's final moments. "He said very clearly, 'Go away Satan.'"
The pope also indicated that the priest could be on his way to beatification, the first step to sainthood.
"He accepted his martyrdom there on the altar of Christ," he added. "He gave his life for us so as not to deny Jesus. He is a martyr and martyrs are beatified."
We do not have three 'gods'.
MOee than I can say for you.
Yep about your last statement! Allah is NOT God Pope Francis. And there are plenty of Christian soldier out there on their knees before God every morning before killing a Jihadist in the middle east and elsewhere Pope Francis. Those Christian men and woman are NOT Satanic. The ambiguity here is not a mistake sadly for this Pope and I am Catholic.
“That is what Islam is about, killing for Allah, but I don’t think he recognizes that.”
We need the Holy Father to catch up very quickly.
Thank you for that Mrs. Don-o. I am sure many here have never seen these quotes. Again, can’t trust the MSM for actual facts.
I agree with that.
As you have phrased it there, I can’t object.
It is an interesting relationship, because when Jesus was on this earth, He told people that his relationship to God the Father and the Holy Spirit, is the model for our path to the Father through him with the Holy Spirit.
We also have Jesus prayer from the cross asking God if there was any way to pass this cup, but God the Father’s will be done.
This reveals there were two entities at that moment.
Jesus pray in the Garden of Gethsemane was to another entity.
I think of Jesus as an individual, but also a part of God, just like the Father and the Holy Spirit.
They act as one though. I can’t deny that.
We Orthodox have many differences of opinion about islam and “Allah”, as do you Roman Catholics. Some say that muslims believe in the same God as Christians and Jews, and others do not.
But it is clear from islamic tradition that Muhammad first thought that he was being squeezed nearly to death by a demon, but his wife Khadijah said that he should consider that maybe it was an angel. So Muhammad went back to the cave, and began uttering his stream of rants that ultimately became the Quran, once he had disciples who could write them down. Yikes!!!!!
At least that priest in Northern France whose throat was slit by the muslim said, “Get thee behind me, Satan!” May his Memory be Eternal!!!!
I wonder what Pope Francis will think when he learns that Obama is really Muslim and formed ISIS then supplied them with the tools of war so they could toss people off buildings, lop their heads off with scimitars, dunk them alive in shark tanks, saw them in half using chainsaws, etc...i think he’s going to come away very confused thinking, “but he pays so much to the Catholic Charities every year. How could he be evil”?
Whenever I'm assigned to teach this lesson, I feel I should be on my knees.
As I have been taught, the three Persons of the Trinity each has a mind of His own and a will of His own. That's, by definition, what makes them "Persons." That's why Jesus would rather not "want" to die on the cross, but could still say, "Not My will, but Thine be done."
But they are in unison of being, and the "essence" of their Being is Love.
Thus Jesus also said, "the Father and I are One."
John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."
Nice. Congrats to you for being he person designated to teach this.
I believe Jesus words meant that their understanding and goals were one.
I truly believe that.
At the same time, the Angels (that stayed in heaven) had the same goals too. They are not a part of the Holy Trinity though.
This leads to so many variants. Jesus could have succumbed to the temptations in the desert. It wasn’t per-ordained he couldn’t.
The study of salvation through faith is an amazing subject.
It is the one true topic where science fiction like materials, are 100% the gospel truth.
Today’s science fiction (IMO) is a very clever attempt to draw attention away from the Godly mystical, to the pagan substitute.
This is done so often in Satan’s plans. Islam, is a clever substitute for religion. It rises up in opposition to truth.
Except the Gospel will never be annihilated.
I agree.
Uh-huh.
http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/
1. Pope Francis said that God doesn’t condemn LGBT individuals — Sept. 30, 2013
2. Pope Francis suggested the church could be open to (homosexual) civil unions — March 5, 2014
3. The Francis effect goes global — Summer of 2014
The summer of 2014 was a remarkable period during which a number of high-ranking Catholic prelates signaled that Pope Francis’s more open posture had permeated throughout the Catholic world. In May, a top-ranking Italian bishop said that the church should listen to same-sex marriage arguments. A few weeks later, Brazilian Cardinal Cláudio Hummes, said he “didn’t know” whether Jesus would oppose gay marriage. In early September, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan approved the St. Patrick Day Parade Committee’s decision to allow a gay group to march in the 2015 parade under their own banner. (Twenty-one years earlier, one of Dolan’s predecessors, Cardinal John O’Connor, said that to allow a gay group to march would be a slander to the Apostles’ Creed.)
4. The Synod on the Family’s interim report affirmed the “gifts and qualities” of LGBT individuals — October 2014
5. The pope began a series of meetings and dialogues with LGBT individuals and activists — 2015
Throughout the first months of 2015, Pope Francis had several encounters with LGBT individuals and groups, including a transgender man from Spain who was excluded from his parish community, and gay and transgender prisoners in Naples. The Vatican also gave the VIP treatment to a pro-LGBT American Catholic group visiting Rome and the pope met with a gay Paraguayan activist during his recent trip to South America.
Collectively these events signal a church that is more open to welcoming the LGBT community and the diverse realities of the modern family than it was two years ago. After the Supreme Court’s ruling in support of same-sex marriage last month, Blase Cupich, Pope Francis’s handpicked archbishop of Chicago, said the church’s respect for LGBT individuals “must be real, not rhetorical, and ever reflective of the Church’s commitment to accompanying all people.” Such language would have been rare two years ago. Today it’s expected. Thank God.
Dear jerkoff Guy In Rome,
You have a lot of explaining to all the European troops who died in defense of Vienna when the Ottomans attempted to take it.
A mohammedan does not kill in the ‘name of god’. He kills in the name of ‘allah’.
Ask the dead of Jerusalem.
Ask of Charles Martel.
Ask of the dead jerkoffs of Rome, who led the three crusades against the mohammedans.
Ask the dead Templars.
1) There’s a certain ambiguity of language here. If by LGBT individuals, you mean persons who experience a predominantly same-sex attraction, you are talking about tendency, temperament, temptation, not necessarily consent to sin. Temptation does not equal sin.
2) The word “homosexual” was added here. A decision of two people to form a kind of stable household unit could be a caregiver daughter and her disabled mother, a mentally handicapped young adult and his older brother, two elderly sisters sharing the old family home, or other kinds of friendship or kinship bonds. I don’t think the Pope ever said a stable partnership specifically or manifestly predicated on sodomy was legitimate. If he did by all means correct me. I respect evidence.
3) Attributing others’ words and actions to Francis’ influence can be an insightful guess, but does not constitute proof in itself, that is, a just judgment.
4) LGBT peoples’ gifts and qualities: how could we deny that anybody has gifts and qualities? Everybody has some gift. It is not predicated on sodomy (or pride, avarice, lust, or insobriety ot any other sin.) Our sins tend strongly to ruin our gifts.
5) Dialogue with sinners is not the same as approval of sin, unless the Gospels have it all wrong about Jesus.
I resent the #%$# out if it when I feel I’m being pushed into defending Pope Francis’ dangerous ambiguities and even more dangerous personnel decisions and dubious forays of papal diplomacy and governance. There’s plenty there to criticize, and I do criticize it.
However it is false to say that Pope Francis “does nothing but” defend sexual sin. He simply does not, and to assert this you have to ignore a great deal of what he actually does say.
That’s part of a larger tendency to insist that he must be wrong about everything.
Examining the whole can o’ worms, it seems to me that his dreadful undermining of doctrine comes not from propositional heresy, but from ceaseless propagation of ambiguity and confusion.
And God is not the Author of confusion.
I do sometimes -— sincerely -— wonder whether Pope Francis may have a brain lesion.
would you mind telling us who you're talking about?
I'm really not sure who you mean.
He wasn't "from Rome," but would you classify Louis IX of France, for example, as a "jerkoff"?
Dear Mrs Don-o,
definition : “”the dead jerkoffs in Rome who led three crusades” -—”
A Pope, any Pope, any Catholic guy sitting in Rome who proclaims to be the head of duh cat’lic choich, who thinks he can demand any other country on the face of the earth to do what he bids. That includes d’ose popes who declared the Medieval Crusades.
You seem to have a comic book understanding of Catholicism. It’s a pity.
Mrs. Don-o,
No dear, i have an ‘abuse’ understanding from 1st to 3rd grade!
That AINT no pity, and no hole deep enough.
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