Posted on 10/02/2016 9:25:33 AM PDT by Lorianne
Video 2:08
Great idea as long as there is a warning somewhere visible. Otherwise the trespasser could win a suit against the sign-owner. The law generally does not support rigged devises meant to harm on one’s property regardless of the trespass. So the sign owner could sue for trespassing and the trespasser could sue the sign-owner for damages.
LoL!
A damn shame dogs and cows can’t read, isn’t it! /sarcasm
As you can tell your whole premise 'pisses me off'.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So the headline lies by exaggeration. No surprise there. Anything to get you to read the article or see the video.
It's rather punny.
I call hoax. Mythbusters showed that it’s not plausible for someone to get shocked peeing on an electric fence. Has to be a steady stream ... not a natural thing for a normal man.
You cannot feel Low voltage outdoor lighting. That’s why it’s low voltage.
Go try it and get back to FR with your 'first hand' account.
Peeing On An Electric Fence - What Happens?
Or learn from the experience of others.
Again, the common law has developed a standard that generally says you need to have warning signs if you’re going to put booby traps on your property. That doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. If someone is going to go to the trouble of rigging up a device, they could certainly put up a warning sign. The law sees a difference between injury to a person versus injury to property. That seems reasonable to me.
It’s also a different situation if you are there personally to stop a trespasser. Then you can use reasonable force equal to the threat the trespasser poses. But rigged devices are another story. You need a visible warning sign. As I said, that seems reasonable to me.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
As I asked and you failed to answer...Do you need a sign telling you not to vandalize the property of others?
That of course is a rhetorical question. The issue isn’t telling others what they should or shouldn’t do, the issue is warning those who decide to trespass on your property.
What I’m saying isn’t my opinion, it’s actually the common law, formed over many hundreds of years.
My opinion is I think this portion of the common law is reasonable.
LOL!
As someone who grew up around electric fences I’ll advise everyone to ignore your advice.
As a teenager I had a very nice car with very nice wheels.
Except that our dog always peed on them.
I hooked up an old electric fencer to the entire car.
He only peed on the wheels once more.
Boy did I ever catch it from my mom, but the dog always gave my car wide berth after that.
LOL ... no, thanks.
No, it isn't.
The issue isn’t telling others what they should or shouldn’t do, the issue is warning those who decide to trespass on your property.
A sign isn't needed to inform someone that they're trespassing.
Once someone has trespassed they've already broken the law, whether common or positive.
And to then do damage to a person's property? Do you see the problem with your assertion?
Is that in accordance with common law?
And as far as 'booby traps' go...
If you watch any of the following videos (https://www.google.com/#q=scary+surprise+video&tbm=vid) is it a 'trap' if I don't warn you and you have a heart attack? Or is it simply a prank as I only intended to scare you?
To take things even further could someone sue a movie maker when a 'surprise' scene comes up on a screen and they suffer from ill effects? How about a haunted house at Halloween?
The man intended to do harm to someone's property after he trespassed onto their property.
My opinion is that the pissing man got what he deserved.
He could have left after stomping the sign yet he didn't.
But that's JMO.
When Mythbusters Gets it Completely Wrong
Pressure! Mythbusters correctly concluded that under the circumstances of their test design, an electrolyte stream’s laminar flow would break up into small droplets, and thus be unable to carry an electrical current from the third rail to O’Malley’s penis. The problem is that Mythbusters used a feed flow based on one trip to the toilet by Savage. Well, as any man knows who has had a hugely full bladder and no prostatic hypertrophy, a vastly more robust stream of urine can be produced than that seen on the Mythbusters test dummy. This is because of the simple reason that one can bear down on the bladder with one’s abdominal muscles! You have a simple case of grossly unrealistic test conditions.
Another astute observation...It’s television, and on television there is often an appeal to the lowest common denominator.
That is right. The purpose of the sign is to WARN the trespasser of a dangerous condition on the property.
And if they didn't trespass in the first place? (not a rhetorical question either)
Does a rotten board on a porch, which could cause injury from someone falling through, predicate the need for a sign?
The owner knows it's there and avoids stepping on it until it's repaired. He warns guests to his property.
Should he also warn the thief coming to rob him unawares?
If you want to try this, don't hook it up to your home electric, you could kill someone!
Instead, use an electric fence charger like this:
It will feel like they were kicked by a mule, but will not kill anyone. This is commonly used to keep livestock in a field.
These are good questions
1) In tort law (civil, not criminal law),
- If the trespasser is expected, then the land owner has a duty to warn of ARTIFICIAL dangers, but not natural dangers on the land. In this case the trespasser might be considered known or anticipated and the step probably an artificial danger. So in your hypo, he may very well need to warn the trespasser of the step.
- However, if the trespasser is not known or anticipated, the land owner has no duty to him except to void willful infliction of harm.
2) In criminal law, dangerous or deadly devices are per se illegal. Most likely the electrified sign would need a warning sign. However, in your hypo, since the broken step is probably not there purposely to defend the property, the step most likely is not illegal.
If the person is not a trespasser, then different rules apply which are not relevant to the electrified sign-situation at hand
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