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Why Are Politicians So Obsessed With Manufacturing?
NY Times Mag. ^ | OCT. 4, 2016 | BINYAMIN APPELBAUM

Posted on 10/10/2016 4:11:57 AM PDT by expat_panama

When Donald J. Trump landed in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago, the city was buzzing about Uber’s deployment of the world’s first fleet of driverless taxicabs. Political leaders were thrilled that Silicon Valley was hiring highly paid workers and investing hundreds of millions of dollars in western Pennsylvania. Local taxi drivers were understandably less excited that robots were coming for their jobs.

Pittsburgh’s football team may still be called the Steelers, but the city has, like the rest of the country, become predominantly a service economy. More than 80 percent of local jobs are in the service sector, roughly on par with the national average. The largest private-sector employer is not U.S. Steel but the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. The city’s jobs, however, increasingly are divided between a prospering college-educated elite of lawyers and doctors and bankers and a struggling mass of fast-food workers and security guards and nannies.

Uber’s arrival suggests those disparities are likely to intensify...

...Both candidates are promising hardhat types of jobs. He with manufacturing which is magically to return as we put the genie of globalism...

Donald is focused on only what he knows - building buildings. Look at the list of jobs he includes in his speeches - steelworkers,......

...This is a dynamic that Trump, in particular, has capitalized on. “People are tired of lies... ...the miners are with me, that’s why the working people, electricians, the plumbers, the Sheetrockers, the concrete guys and gals, they’re all — they’re with us.”

In all likelihood, many more of Mr. Trump’s supporters are people who once worked in those kinds of jobs...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; investing; jobs; manufacturing
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To: riverdawg

Correction: You should vote for Hillary since you agree with the globalist agenda.


41 posted on 10/10/2016 6:11:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kearnyirish2

You could graduate high school, get a manufacturing job, buy a home, raise a family on one salary with a stay at home mom, put your kids through college, and save enough for retirement. I can see why the elite hates that.


42 posted on 10/10/2016 6:12:40 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Paul R.

FYI: Riverdawg is a NWO Bushbot globalist cheap labor hack.


43 posted on 10/10/2016 6:12:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DNME
...We no longer have that kind of production capacity. Whether we could build our production back up is debateable, since it takes raw materials to build factories and China might not be willing to sell.

It takes more than just the raw materials. We are losing the capacity to make the tooling necessary to make the first steps in a heavy industrial production line.

The rapidly declining number of engineers and experienced machinists along with the disappearing human knowledge base necessarily results in many industries that would have to repeat the previous learning curve. Can't replicate the daily hands-on experience in manuals.

44 posted on 10/10/2016 6:13:39 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Wolfie

The upper class and lower class have a symbiotic relationship. The middle class is a threat to both.


45 posted on 10/10/2016 6:14:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Wolfie

The elites are furious that they have to pay wages at all, instead of simply providing bare sustenance to their remaining drones. They envy the Red Chinese slavemasters...


46 posted on 10/10/2016 6:15:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Covenantor

There is ONE shipyard that can build an aircraft carrier. One.


47 posted on 10/10/2016 6:16:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
"I'd move my factory to a country that showed me that I was wanted there. In a heartbeat. And sleep like a baby afterward."

There are plenty of states that fit the above criterion. No, companies move offshore to find cheap labor.

48 posted on 10/10/2016 6:17:56 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: expat_panama
Binny, it's all about balance of trade. You make nothing, you have to buy everything from other countries. Your money flows out, probably never to return.

49 posted on 10/10/2016 6:19:02 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill TWITTER !! Kill FACEBOOK !! Free MILO !!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Then competition drives out those with less to offer, those more efficient and cost effective, or competition moves into the international realm through the exact same way but in the international realm.

Trade agreements are supposed to ensure that competition in the international realm is an even playing field - unfortunately in most, not just many but most, the agreements are either 1) one sided for one of the players or 2) are not enforced equitably. In those cases the international trade becomes detrimental rather than competitive.

Detriments lead a loss in trade efficiency and a cost to the consumer, whereas competition leads to a positive result for the consumer.


50 posted on 10/10/2016 6:19:34 AM PDT by reed13k (r)
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To: expat_panama
Binny, it's all about balance of trade. You make nothing, you have to buy everything from other countries. Your money flows out, probably never to return.

51 posted on 10/10/2016 6:20:23 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill TWITTER !! Kill FACEBOOK !! Free MILO !!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Corporations hate republican govts, borders and voting. Transnational Corporations think they should run everything.


52 posted on 10/10/2016 6:20:51 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: riverdawg

>>any more than I would blame cardiologists for heart attacks.

It’s more like blaming cardiologists for kneee problems when they tell a sedentary 50 year old to start jogging or he’ll die of a heart attack. They jog until their knee gives out and then they can’t even walk. It’s a real phenomenon.


53 posted on 10/10/2016 6:23:53 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: central_va
There is ONE shipyard that can build an aircraft carrier.

One.

...and that should scare the hell out of everyone.

54 posted on 10/10/2016 6:25:52 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: central_va
That goes right to my point in Post #37.

Forget about just the United States. How many shipyards does the entire world need to produce ships, period? And what do you do with a shipyard when it isn't producing ships?

There is so much excess capacity in the shipping industry that the major ocean carriers are all postponing or canceling orders for new ships.

55 posted on 10/10/2016 6:29:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: reed13k
And therein lies the problem. Once you move into the international realm you have to be competitive in the international realm, but for many products the U.S. simply doesn't compete well for exports.

If you run a factory that has the capacity to produce 1,000 widgets a year but your U.S. market only buys 500 of them, you are going to have a hard time selling the remaining 500 in the international market because your costs here in the U.S. are almost always going to be higher than they are elsewhere.

It should be noted, though, that there's a flip side to this that makes the politics of trade deals so complicated. There actually ARE some things where U.S. producers have an enormous advantage over other countries -- even "cheap" ones. Agricultural products are a major component of this. The U.S. has been exporting grain and other agricultural commodities all over the globe for decades -- and these play a huge role in these trade negotiations. We even grow rice in parts of California and export it to China (just think about how ridiculous that sounds).

This is where politicians running a national campaign face a serious dilemma ... because for every vote in Michigan or Ohio that they gain by promoting protectionism for manufacturing, they run the risk of losing one or two more in Iowa or Kansas.

56 posted on 10/10/2016 6:40:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Right Wing Assault

 

...Your money flows out...

--and Scrooge McDuck's money bin goes empty. 

That's how the comic books tell it but in real life when we buy French wine or Colombian coffee they don't take dollars because they don't use dollars.   We have to exchange our dollars at the bank for foreign money and the banks exchange those dollars w/ them that want to buy U.S. stocks and bonds.

Dollars stay in the U.S.

57 posted on 10/10/2016 6:43:03 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Trump is for the people who build things. Hillary is for the parasites that produce nothing.


58 posted on 10/10/2016 6:43:41 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Lester Holt — Clinton House Boy.)
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To: central_va

They HAVE run everything for many years; it is an issue today because Americans that accepted that in return for a higher standard of living no longer have that higher standard of living.


59 posted on 10/10/2016 6:44:50 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: DNME
Our Sherman tanks ...  ...no longer have that kind of production capacity...

Back then there were old farts living in the previous century that wanted more horse cavalry.  Those horses were a good idea because the soldiers needed to eat them.   What the U.S. needs now is not more Sherman tanks but rather a chief executive who cares more about U.S. security than apologizing. 

60 posted on 10/10/2016 6:49:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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