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World Leaders Try to Ban Another Greenhouse Gas
scientificamerican.com ^ | Oct. 10, 2016 | Robynne Boyd

Posted on 10/10/2016 12:49:13 PM PDT by PROCON

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It seems I recall John Efin Kerry also wanting to eliminate our use of air conditioning or make it unbelievably expensive to use it.

And now a UN body in Rwanda is deciding whether or not HFC's should be banned HERE!

1 posted on 10/10/2016 12:49:13 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Is DuPont’s patent running out?


2 posted on 10/10/2016 12:50:33 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: PROCON

A wikileaks out today discusses ways to forward more regs without Congressional approval


3 posted on 10/10/2016 12:51:27 PM PDT by magna carta
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It’ll turn the whole world into Rwanda.


4 posted on 10/10/2016 12:51:39 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small" - Theodore Dalrymple)
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Is DuPont’s patent running out?

You get it, I see...

5 posted on 10/10/2016 12:52:12 PM PDT by henkster (Better to be Pavlov's Dog than Schroedinger's Cat)
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WTH!

Almost all cars newer than 1994 use HFC-134a (also known as R-134a IIRC). Banning this would require us to use alternatives which are more combustible in a vehicle’s AC system.

Not to mention I just rolled over my weekend toy from R-12 to R-134a and miss R-12 dearly!!


6 posted on 10/10/2016 12:52:27 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: PROCON

The Globalist/Establishment hypocritical diplomatic immunity modern day Robber Barons have lost their collective minds.

These inbreeds are panicking because they know Trump is winning. So these criminals are never going to quit.

We have to go in through and beyond their twisted message.

Their dreams are our nightmares.

NEVER QUIT!


7 posted on 10/10/2016 12:52:41 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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Nah, just cynical.


8 posted on 10/10/2016 12:54:49 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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More like, regulate it then Tax it


9 posted on 10/10/2016 12:54:50 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Viva Le Deplorable)
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To: PROCON

Ban water vapor.


10 posted on 10/10/2016 12:55:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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But, I was told I had to use R-134a because R-12 was burning a hole in the ozone?

Are the people fed up with this crap yet?


11 posted on 10/10/2016 12:56:30 PM PDT by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Anti house air coolers, anti car air coolers, anti kitchen food refrigerators.
12 posted on 10/10/2016 12:56:49 PM PDT by SandRat ( (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?))
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So that is why John Hanoi Kerry propagandized air conditioning as causing global warming. Lots of money to be made in another change out from our last “safe” refrigerant to something said to be safe although quite costly and bring new patents into making money.


13 posted on 10/10/2016 12:56:52 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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BAN Dihydrogen Monoxide, it’s for the children!


14 posted on 10/10/2016 12:57:31 PM PDT by PROCON ("Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!")
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so the third world UN will be the Supreme Court of the World ?


15 posted on 10/10/2016 12:57:53 PM PDT by butlerweave
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds.

Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100317023946/http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110308203927/http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) -- Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120808014318/http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

16 posted on 10/10/2016 12:58:02 PM PDT by ETL (TRUMP-PENCE 2016!!!)
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They either need to ban Dihydrogen monoxide and drink Canada dry or move to Mars.


17 posted on 10/10/2016 12:58:49 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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They could completely solve the greenhouse gas problem if they simply moved toward nuclear power.


18 posted on 10/10/2016 1:01:23 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Ammonia works well...................


19 posted on 10/10/2016 1:02:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (YES, I'm Deplorable! I Deplore the entire Democrat Party!....................)
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Time to stock up on air.


20 posted on 10/10/2016 1:02:23 PM PDT by C210N
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