Describe the purpose and meaning.... if you feel there is no God... outside of your years on this earth... what meaning is there when you die and turn to dust...
Why do you think you need or require meaning? Why is the sky blue? who cares?
When I die it will be exactly as it was before I was born. I don’t remember being born so I can’t possibly remember the moment I cease to exist.
In addition, how do you define moral and good thought and action.. why would your thoughts of that meaning be superior to another’s who disagreed... and what right would you having in telling them yours are superior to theirs...
No such thing as morality,all of it is cost vs. benefit. Profit vs.loss, both variable perceptions and intensities.
I don’t mean for this to offend... I would just like to understand someone who feels that we are just a random conclusion to chaos and mutation....
Be honest, you WANT it to be offensive so you can justify your “faith”.
Actually we have no possible way to prove our own existence since it is impossible to be objective to it, ALL we can do is tell each other what we have seen or imagined.
Most times I see an atheist faith in science is their god... to believe there is no creation... is to discount the laws of the natural realm...
You confuse what faith and proof is. One cannot have faith if you have one shred of proof. Proof as in being what can be proven by different people and the results being consistent, such as one can agree that table salt tastes salty, therefore if you taste salt you can prove to yourself that it is.
Simply put... matter cannot be created or destroyed.... so where did the original matter come from that makes up the universe.... It just, and always, was (I think there is a being that describes themselves as such....)?
No, that “being” was described by men , who had no proof.
That “matter cannot be created or destroyed “ was described for the first law of thermodynamics, so you are attempting to use scientific observational proof to prove faith! utter insanity!
In addition, the physical realm is governed by unchanging rules.... and laws... how does something that came into existence (from nothing?) have unchanging rules and laws without a designed intent..? What we should see is chaos... not order.....
we do see chaos, and order. order always breaks down towards chaos, with the exception of the thought experiment known as maxwell’s demon. more science.
...and if there are unchanging natural laws.. why would the sentient realm be any different....?
who thinks that it is?
God is unchanging... the same yesterday, as today... .as He will be tomorrow.... He is the beginning and the end... the all encompassing I AM....
SO IS ODIN. there is more proof to him, he says he destroyed the ice giants. have you seen one around?
Pretty amazing how a book which pertains to outlining who we are and why we are here lines up with the unchanging laws of the universe...
you haven’t read the bible.
I pray one day you open you heart to your creator,... He is waiting.... just ask Him to show Himself to you..
I was told my mom and dad created me,I will have to either believe it or not. I’m going with the proof as I have seen others being born as I don’t need faith. praying is as useless as tits on a nun or balls on a priest.
hope this clarifies it for you.
No I don’t mean to offend... if you take offense... that is something you need to reflect upon...
As for you thoughts... it is simple... you believe there is no such thing as morality, all of it is cost vs. benefit. profit vs. loss, both variable perceptions and intensities.
So is it depending on what is beneficial... for you or society.. who makes the decision... If others disagree and they have more power... is that beneficial or not?
As such.. suing your reasoning.... anything may be found to be acceptable... so Hitler, if he had won WWII... would have been redeemed... because he triumphed over others thinking... and benefited his nation... so if enough find it acceptable... than such would be of most benefit?
IMHO.. there is morality in your argument.. but painfully, using your definition... it is up to those with greatest power and influence to define it... in addition to what is good.. and what is bad...
You assume to know there is no God.. but have stated you need proof... the first law of physics dictates the existence we live in is not possible... yet we are here... so is the first law invalid...?
Insanity is knowing a law exists that is fundamental to our very existence... and not understanding that something outside of that law defined it and satisfied it... Ask yourself... who defined the laws of the universe... they are observed... and measurable... thus defined... or do you hold... they just are what they are... there is no evolution of the physical law... it has always been this way... so again... how were they defined?
You may wish to believe science has yet to figure that out yet, but will... that is called faith in man and his intelligence....
In the end, science and man are the gods of atheists... you may not see it as such.. but you do have faith that there are answers to things that are unknown to us today... and man, using reason and science, will figure them out....
I believe that we live in a world of design and reason... for a purpose (to know and love God) based upon, and as dictated by, the unchanging laws we find in nature (chaos is not found in nature... it is predictable and governed by law)... I believe God defined those laws as well as all the matter in creation....
And yes... the Bible was transcribed by men, as moved by God, to let us know why we are here and what our purpose is... to let us know he was the Creator of all things.. including the laws of nature.. and the laws of human morality... and they are unchanging as He is....
To say they had no proof is not reasonable... they documented their proof in the Bible, their direct witness to events, and how they lived their lives after witnessing such....
You just don’t believe them... dismissing their accounts because it involves the super natural, which you believe does not exist... that is part of your faith as well... you have no proof they lied... yet you condemn them for it.
I wish you well... and again, I mean no offense... even if you believe I do... so I hope you take none....
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