Posted on 11/22/2016 10:36:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I would say McCrory’s handling of the coal ash incident and his ties to Duke Energy were higher on the “I am going vote this bum out” meter
Basketball definitely played a role also, but I’d say it was factor 4 or 5
I don’t like McCrory because he lied to my face during a small meeting he had with my company. Came off as a typical politician in my eyes. None of his actions right now surprise me.
I don’t like McCrory because he lied to my face during a small meeting he had with my company. Came off as a typical politician in my eyes. None of his actions right now surprise me.
I don’t like McCrory because he lied to my face during a small meeting he had with my company. Came off as a typical politician in my eyes. None of his actions right now surprise me.
There is definitely fraud but cooper has been gaining votes and I don’t think McCrory will be able to pull it off. Democrats almost never lose in a recount. Ever.
See if you can spot the problem here...
2016 Election results for North Carolina...
President:
GOP: 2.34 M
DEM: 2.16 M
Senator:
GOP: 2.37 M
DEM: 2.10 M
State Treasurer:
GOP: 2.34 M
DEM: 2.10 M
Lieutenant Governor:
GOP: 2.37 M
DEM: 2.07 M
Governor:
GOP: 2.28 M
DEM: 2.28 M
About 4.44 M total votes in most races,
and 4.50 M in the Presidential race...
but 4.56 M in the Governor's race...
with the numbers not matching much with even the Lt Gov race...
About 90,000 of the GOP Pres/Sen/Treas/Lt Gov votes suddenly went DEM for the Gov spot,
and another 100,000 votes suddenly appeared that didn't really vote for any other office at all...
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
NC Vote totals...
2004 PRES 3,407,479
2004 GOV 3,385,067 ... 22,412 fewer votes cast in the Gov race than in the Presidential race...
2008 PRES 4,258,507
2008 GOV 4,222,965 ... 35,542 fewer votes
2012 PRES 4,499,039
2012 GOV 4,474,892 ... 24,147 fewer votes
2016 PRES 4,629,472
2016 GOV 4,658,566 ... 29,094 MORE votes cast for Governor than President... hmmmmmmm
More horror in NC, a Federal Judge has ordered the state leg maps redrawn and NEW ELECTIONS FOR STATE LEG IN 2017.
These judges are out of control. Do we need a constitutional amendment to make judges mind their own GD business?
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If the Republicans controls the North Carolina State legislature then they need tell this judge to piss off and nullify his ruling
They do. Feds only seem to interfere when the GOP is in charge.
So nice that the federal judges are going to pay for this new set of elections in the coming year out of their own pocket.
What’s your take on what will happen with this latest judicial assault on redistricting.
Ordering a new off year election is really beyond the pale.
More bad news in NC, “canvassing” in Durham county has somehow increased Roy Cooper’s lead to over 10,000.
The state is appealing to SCOTUS; I don’t know if the 9th member will be confirmed by the time they hold oral arguments.
I think both the legal claim (that the legislature unconstitutionally packed blacks (and in the case of one district, Lumbee Indians) into oddly shaped districts) and there edy (holding a new election less than one year into te term set forth in the state constitution) are inconsistent with SCOTUS precedent. I’ve studied those state-house districts, and almost all of them are between 50% and 53% black, close to the bare minimum to avoid a legal claim that the state violated the VRA’s prohibition on “retrogression” (reducing the number of districts in which a protected minority can elect menbers of its choice); remember, the VRA is still in effect, and only the preclearance requirement was declared unconstitutional (BTW, the district lines already had been precleared by Obama’s DOJ before SCOTUS struck down the preclearance requirement). The redistricting plan created new minority-majority districts but did not pack excessive numbers of blacks into any particular districts (which was the claim in the recent cases in which districts were declared unconstitutional because redistricters created, say, one 70%-black district and one 20%-black district (which would result in the election of a black Democrat and a white Republican) instead of creating two 45%-black districts that, given increased black turnout during the past decade, likely would result in the election of two black Democrats. In fact, NC redistricters pointedly avoided doing that in Forsyth County (Winston-Salem), where they created two house districts that each were around 43% black instead of packing blacks into a single 70%-black district and drawing a second district were the black percentage was only 16% or so. So I don’t think that the district lines for the NC state house wouls have been deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS prior to Scalia’s death, and presumably wouldn’t either once Trump nominates and obtains confirmation for Scalia’s replacement, but I don’t know whether the four liberal Justices will vote against the redistricting plan and let the lower-case decision stand if oral arguments are held prior to SCOTUS being back to nine members.
As for the remedy, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a court ordering a new election instead of waiting until the next regular election (which only is two years away; we’re not talking about four- or six-year terms here), and that should get struck down even by an eight-member SCOTUS.
But even if NC loses the appeal, the recently elected legislature, with 2/3 GOP suoermajorities in both houses, would be able to redraw the lines so that the districts are more compact but still guve the GOP over 60% of the districts. Maybe they won’t have the 2/3 to override vetoes (for regular legislation) by the RAT Governor that will take office if we lose the recount/lawsuit, but remember that the NC constitution diss not empower the governor to veto redistricting bills, so the GOP still would be able to draw favorable district lines not only now but after the 2020 Census as well.
If more votes were cast for governor than president in NC, that indeed would be a HUGE red flag. But we has to be careful when comparing total votes cast in the presidential and gubernatorial elections, because sources sometimes don’t present apples-to-apples numbers. If the total votes for governor in those sources include those counted past Nov. 8 and through recanvassing, but the presidential votes are from election night, it could explain the higher number of gubernatorial-election votes.
Remember how liberals claimed that Trump got over a million fewer votes nationwide than Romney had gotten? It was absolutely false, but since they were comparing Trump votes that had been counted by the morning of Nov. 9 with Romney votes that were counted for weeks after the 2012 election (including all of those California votes that are counted days later, absentee votes, provisional ballots ruled to count, etc.), it gave the false appearance that Romney had outpolled Trump. As of the latest count (or at least as of the latest numbers on Dave Leip’s Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, the best website of its kind), Trump is now up by 1,700,500 votes over Romney.
So we need to be careful that both the presidential and gubernatorial numbers were updated simultaneously. I just looked up the presidential and gubernatorial votes cast as per Dave Leip’s site, and right now they have 4,741,517 votes cast in NC in the presidential race (with Trump up by 173,353, or 3.66%) and 4,710,970 cast in NC in the gubernatorial race (with Cooper up by 10,257 votes, or 0.22%). So that would be 30,547 more votes cast for president than for governor, which is consistent with recent elections.
So, unless the numbers on Dave Leip’s site are wrong (which I seriously doubt), the reported numbers do not reveal an obvious addition of ballots for the gubernatorial race. While I still think that the Durham shenanigans were illegal and that McCrory should fight tooth and nail to get those illegal votes thrown out, it does not appear as if county clerks or other officials made up additional votes for governor (unless they simultaneously made up votes for president).
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