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The Unpopular Truth About The Popular Vote
Townhall.com ^ | December 4, 2016 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 12/04/2016 10:06:35 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/04/2016 10:06:35 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The key is the supreme court! I pray president Trump can rein in the turtle and his ilk.


2 posted on 12/04/2016 10:10:07 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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"probably with earlobes stretched to the size of Frisbees and an impromptu lecture on the “justice” of fair trade coffee beans." I've seen them that big. LMAO.....
3 posted on 12/04/2016 10:10:28 AM PST by Fungi
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Trump would have won more popular votes if Red states had Senate races - well IN did have one and institution Bayh was beaten soundly.

Democrats harp the fact their candidates got more votes. Big deal.

At the end of the day, they lost and they’re in the minority.


4 posted on 12/04/2016 10:12:31 AM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: Kaslin
Last I heard, Hillary! led in the popular vote by 2.3 million votes. Of that 2.3 million votes, 4.5 million came from California. If you take California out of the mix, Trump won the popular vote by 2.2 million.

In other words, Hillary! won the popular vote in CA, and Trump won the overall popular vote in the other 49 (or is it 56) states.

5 posted on 12/04/2016 10:14:22 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: goldstategop

They also have low turnout during the midterm elections, or at least it appears to be that way.


6 posted on 12/04/2016 10:15:08 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Kaslin
The best argument against the national popular vote is that it would permanently strip away the right of any state to choose electors in a way other than a popular election.

The U.S. Constitution specifically gives state legislatures the authority to determine how their presidential electors are determined. Every state has had a "popular vote" to select these electors for nearly 100 years, but it wasn't always done this way. More importantly, it doesn't always have to be done this way in the future.

I wish one state would change its method of determining its electors to something other than a popular vote -- just to put this stupid conversation about a "national popular vote" to rest.

7 posted on 12/04/2016 10:16:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Kaslin

Great article, with equally great followups here on FR.


8 posted on 12/04/2016 10:18:48 AM PST by ducttape45 (Every Saint has a past, Every Sinner has a Future!)
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To: Kaslin

The genius of the Founders continues to amaze, even though the things they feared aren’t the same as what we fear today. But in their quest to guard against a king-like ruler (or an ignorant population) they took the concept of a representative republic and applied it to choosing the chief executive.

The 538 ensures the inherent fairness of giving each of the states an equal voice. But democrats and liberals have always struggled with the notion that this is a constitutional republic, not a democracy, and have always been willing to contort the definition of “fairness” to suit their needs (i.e. until they win).


9 posted on 12/04/2016 10:22:25 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: sima_yi

That’s a great synopsis, and totally illustrates why we need an electoral college. Without it, obviously every election would be decided by cities in the Northeast and the West Coast, with a contribution by Chicago.


10 posted on 12/04/2016 10:23:51 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: sima_yi

I’ve also read (although I can’t find the citation) where some votes remain uncounted in CA (absentee?) because even if all went to Trump it wouldn’t change the outcome and Hillary would still win. However those votes would increase Trumps share of the popular vote. No real point in doing so other than this ongoing “contest”.


11 posted on 12/04/2016 10:28:57 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: Kaslin
Many of the great unwashed have even taken to threatening the lives of Trump electors, which is illegal but of no interest to the current Justice Department.

Have any alleged "news" peeps inquired as to why Mr. Comey hasn't looked into these allegations? Sounds as though it's ultra high priority to any reasonable observer, n'est ce pas?

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12 posted on 12/04/2016 10:38:11 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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I remember election night. All the networks kept talking about Trump didn’t have a way to 62mm votes. None. Hillary was on her way to 65MM and a sure landslide. They all called the election right.
Oh wait a minute I remember Martha Raddatz crying when Trump got to 270. I wondered why she was crying. He had no way to get to 65mm votes. I am confused.


13 posted on 12/04/2016 10:38:47 AM PST by Kozy (new age haruspex)
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To: Kaslin

Heard this from a sports player on TV: “Yeah. You won the popular vote. That’s like getting your ass kicked in football but complaining that you won the most yardage.”


14 posted on 12/04/2016 10:43:37 AM PST by pabianice (LINE)
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Hm?....Hadn’t thought of it that way. Good point!


15 posted on 12/04/2016 10:44:15 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: bigbob
That's simply not true. If the number of absentee ballots outstanding on election night is less than the margin of victory for the winning candidate, the winner may be declared on election night but the ballots will still eventually be counted. This is exactly what happened in Pennsylvania over the last few weeks, when Clinton picked up another 20,000+ votes from the absentee and provisional ballots.

They still have to count those ballots because there are a lot of other state and local elections down the ticket that may be much closer than the presidential election.

16 posted on 12/04/2016 10:44:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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I’ve also read (although I can’t find the citation) where some votes remain uncounted in CA (absentee?) because even if all went to Trump it wouldn’t change the outcome and Hillary would still win.

I thought this was the case, but I went looking for a citation. All I'm finding is the same claim by many people, but no one actually citing the policy/law.

Digging around on CA's Secretary of State website, I would say that it's probably not true. My reason: CA law requires that a method be provided for the voter to confirm that their absentee (vote-by-mail) or provisional ballot was counted. If it isn't, they have the right to contest it.

17 posted on 12/04/2016 10:49:02 AM PST by justlurking (#TurnOffCNN)
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To: goldstategop

“Trump would have won more popular votes if Red states had Senate races - well IN did have one and institution Bayh was beaten soundly.”

Get rid of LA county and Trump won the popular vote.


18 posted on 12/04/2016 10:49:21 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Election 2016 - Best election ever.)
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To: Kaslin
Unshowered? Does Rat Party Headquarters have a secret camera in my bathroom?
19 posted on 12/04/2016 10:52:59 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: sima_yi
See my reply in post#1
20 posted on 12/04/2016 10:56:08 AM PST by Kaslin (Most humans have an attention span of about 10 minutes, after that they will revert to daydreaming)
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