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Well I don't think that is convoluted at all--nor do I think there is a problem with the underlying analysis. It is not inconsistent with any known facts or conditions, unlike the conventionally accepted fairy tale which is inconsistent much of the actual record. So I kind of like it.

I am not going to respond individually to #'s 499; 495 and 496 but am going to address some of the thoughts here and the authors of those posts get copies of this.

Lets start with Anna Tout. In Dreams, Ayers ghosting for Barry, addresses the topic because he knew when he wrote that the story was out there and he attempts to cover it with the proposition that Madelyn Dunham was Anna Tout. I don't think that fits any of the facts.

Having accumulated maybe 1000 pieces of documentary historical references none of which are properly indexed, I just have gone through and picked out a handful.

The Anna Tout story was regularly described in a number of the original Africa news sources and it is this: Senior writes letters to the village in Africa reporting his progress in Hawaii and tells the village that he has met and married a woman named Anna Tout by whom he has a son named BHOjr.

Barry’s Aunt Zeituni Onyango addresses the issue twice--once in a Boston Globe article April 9, 2011 and once in 2016 in response to President Elect Trump's comments. She says the general news references are really to two letters--the first in the spring of 1960 in which he says he has met and married a woman named; the second in early 1961 where he tells them about the birth of the son.

There are several of these articles dating back to the early 2000 period in All Africa History and other regional press. In that time frame, I saved the articles but now have difficulty opening the article text portion of the articles although I can open the files and can probably figure out how to open the subfolders to get to the article text but I am not going to take the time to do that at present.

Some I do open. For example: Daily Nation On the Web (Reprint Article from All Africa, 15 August 2004 Edition); Article: Nairobi by John Oywa: “ According to the family, Obama's father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959. While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot, and their union produced Barack Obama Jr. . . . . "Anna's father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage," remembers Sarah.”

The combined weight of the various sources leaves no real doubt that the Woman and mother of BHOjr. was named "Anna Tout". And further, there isn't any way the nomenclature can be massaged to make her Stanley Ann.

Nor is there any single piece of evidence other than the fraudulent transcript to make Anna on Capitol Hill Stanley Ann. Nor can the pieces of evidence we do have, beginning with Mary in January or February of 1961 be massaged to fit the Stanley Ann facts no matter what you might want to believe about her high school or college career.

Among the other messy facts in the record--she isn't anywhere on the record at Mercer Island as a Senior; she isn't in the senior annual or any where else. So there isn't any real reason to believe she was there. Nor is there any evidence that she was ever at Honolulu prior to March of 1963; there is no transcript that puts her at the University prior to that date. And her attendance there that is acknowledged doesn't add up to the BA she received--she went to University somewhere else to get her degree credits.

Nor do you or any of the others posting in response advance any factual disconnect from Fred's analysis of the events. Fred's thesis is consistent with all known facts and unlike any other story fits the timeline perfectly.

Jerry Corsi? I don't know of any source in which he concludes Anna on Capitol Hill was Stanley Ann. I know he will see this so he may have further comments.

I have accumulated a significant body of additional factual data both on this sub topic as well as the overall story since the last time I talked to Jerry.

I am not inclined to get into a debate about the overall story here at this point. I picked this up because it started with the transcript issue and I think it has been pretty clearly demonstrated that the transcript is fraudulent prepared for the purpose of creating a factual setting inconsistent with the generally accepted story.

My own present view is that the President Elect has a wide range of serious issues to confront and I tend to doubt that he will or should devote resources to an effort to unravel Barry. So I am content to leave the issue where it presently sits. If conditions change, I will modify my views as appropriate.

The biggest problem with this theory is that sooner or later those who believe in it resort to snark, innuendo, snide gossip, malicious slander, lies, bullying
, intimidation and smears. You could say you’re being polite at present. Why shouldn’t you be? The thread is dominated by individuals who will go into the gutter at a moments notice. Anyone can be polite if they know their compatriots will to the dirty work at the drop of a hat.

The tactics I described above are not used to defend truth. They are used to protect and advance lies. It’s disgusting. People should be mortified to be affiliated with any cabal that relies on such tactics. They are the antithesis of Christian. Of course, not everyone here is a Christian. But A, even non-Christians can defend the truth without wallowing in the gutter, and B, I have yet to see a Christian object to the nasty behavior. Most often, they join in.

It’s a toxic theory. It does no one any credit.

My own present view is that the President Elect has a wide range of serious issues to confront and I tend to doubt that he will or should devote resources to an effort to unravel Barry. So I am content to leave the issue where it presently sits.

Same here, he's gone. Que sera, sera.

I originally planned on making one short comment on this thread, but there seems to be a very nasty person trolling the good people on this thread.

Thank you for pinging me to your informative, well reasoned and calmly presented comments.

My only quibble would be that President Trump himself does not need to deal with the criminal fraud of Zero/Barry, his Attorney General would, with a cleaned out and rejuvenated DOJ at his disposal.

And I think this statement not only wise, but very applicable to this issue:

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

Lets start with Anna Tout. In Dreams, Ayers ghosting for Barry, addresses the topic because he knew when he wrote that the story was out there and he attempts to cover it with the proposition that Madelyn Dunham was Anna Tout. I don't think that fits any of the facts.

Having accumulated maybe 1000 pieces of documentary historical references none of which are properly indexed, I just have gone through and picked out a handful.

The Anna Tout story was regularly described in a number of the original Africa news sources and it is this: Senior writes letters to the village in Africa reporting his progress in Hawaii and tells the village that he has met and married a woman named Anna Tout by whom he has a son named BHOjr.

Barry’s Aunt Zeituni Onyango addresses the issue twice--once in a Boston Globe article April 9, 2011 and once in 2016 in response to President Elect Trump's comments. She says the general news references are really to two letters--the first in the spring of 1960 in which he says he has met and married a woman named; the second in early 1961 where he tells them about the birth of the son.

There are several of these articles dating back to the early 2000 period in All Africa History and other regional press. In that time frame, I saved the articles but now have difficulty opening the article text portion of the articles although I can open the files and can probably figure out how to open the subfolders to get to the article text but I am not going to take the time to do that at present.

Some I do open. For example: Daily Nation On the Web (Reprint Article from All Africa, 15 August 2004 Edition); Article: Nairobi by John Oywa: “ According to the family, Obama's father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959. While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot, and their union produced Barack Obama Jr. . . . . "Anna's father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage," remembers Sarah.”

The combined weight of the various sources leaves no real doubt that the Woman and mother of BHOjr. was named "Anna Tout". And further, there isn't any way the nomenclature can be massaged to make her Stanley Ann.

Nor is there any single piece of evidence other than the fraudulent transcript to make Anna on Capitol Hill Stanley Ann. Nor can the pieces of evidence we do have, beginning with Mary in January or February of 1961 be massaged to fit the Stanley Ann facts no matter what you might want to believe about her high school or college career.

Among the other messy facts in the record--she isn't anywhere on the record at Mercer Island as a Senior; she isn't in the senior annual or any where else. So there isn't any real reason to believe she was there. Nor is there any evidence that she was ever at Honolulu prior to March of 1963; there is no transcript that puts her at the University prior to that date. And her attendance there that is acknowledged doesn't add up to the BA she received--she went to University somewhere else to get her degree credits.

Also scroll down and read # 611 by SatinDoll.

...I tend to doubt that he will or should devote resources to an effort to unravel Barry. So I am content to leave the issue where it presently sits.

Strikes me as a wise choice...