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Liberal watchdog group to sue Trump, alleging he violated constitutional ban
MSN News ^ | David A. Fahrenthold, Jonathan O'Connell

Posted on 01/23/2017 6:09:08 AM PST by detective

A liberal watchdog group says it plans to file a lawsuit against President Trump in federal court on Monday alleging that he is in violation of a little-known constitutional provision that bars him from taking gifts or payments from foreign governments.

The group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that because Trump-owned buildings take in rent, room rentals and other payments from foreign governments, the president has breached the Emoluments Clause. That clause in the Constitution says that “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” It was written out of fear that the young republic’s leaders or ambassadors could be bought off by a richer European power.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: emolumentsclause; first100days; lawsuit; trump; trump45
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Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a leftist group, is suing Trump because foreigners are allowed to stay in his hotel.
1 posted on 01/23/2017 6:09:08 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

Snowball fight in hell.


2 posted on 01/23/2017 6:11:23 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: detective; Nero Germanicus
Liberal watchdog group to sue Trump, alleging he violated constitutional ban

If no one had standing to sue to require compliance with Article II, (natural born citizen) then no one has standing to sue for any other constitutional requirement.

Now watch the Judiciary use a different standard for Liberals than they have used on conservatives. Every Tom, Dick and Harry Liberal will suddenly have "standing" to sue.

3 posted on 01/23/2017 6:12:24 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: detective

The first judge hearing this should throw it out with prejudice and seek sanctions on the attorneys bringing the patently wasteful legal action.


4 posted on 01/23/2017 6:12:37 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws maintain the status quo now.)
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To: detective

And they are wrong not only on the facts but also on the Constitution


5 posted on 01/23/2017 6:12:44 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: detective

Does he actually own the hotels, or just rent out his name?

In any case, Trump does not personally receive any payments. They are received by a corporation that is owned by another corporation that is owned by another corporation that is owned by a mix of public stockholders, hedge funds, and Donald Trump or his relatives.

When the Constitution was written, none of this existed. I would expect a quick dismissal based on the simple principle that Trump is not the legal entity receiving any payments.


6 posted on 01/23/2017 6:13:52 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: detective

Why didn’t they sue Obama for allowing illegal aliens to stay in the U.S.?


7 posted on 01/23/2017 6:14:43 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: detective

Tit for tat for Birth Certificate suits for obozo.

And these won’t even get as far as those did.


8 posted on 01/23/2017 6:15:08 AM PST by freedumb2003 (obozo: not just the worst president in American history - worst *American* in American history (turf)
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To: detective

While we are at it, Big Ag tycoon George Washington should also be impeached for the profits he made overseas while president.


9 posted on 01/23/2017 6:15:20 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: detective
This brought me the first laugh of the day! After liberals like the Clintons running a bribery syndicate going back to 1993, they're going to complain about someone booking a hotel room?
These people should get credit for high comedy; irony at its finest
10 posted on 01/23/2017 6:15:21 AM PST by stormhill
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Need to make an issue of this group. This is what Democrats do!


11 posted on 01/23/2017 6:16:58 AM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: Nifster
Foreigners are paying for hotel services, profits benefit a hotel corporation now in trust. Trump does not himself benefit.

But beyond that, the Constitution text appears to not care about foreign Emolument, merely from any one State of the US:

"and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them. "

12 posted on 01/23/2017 6:17:08 AM PST by C210N
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/09/some-misgivings-about-the-foreign-emoluments-clause-arguments/


13 posted on 01/23/2017 6:19:17 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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You can twist that clause any way you want to fit any scenario. Don’t President’s accept gifts from foreign governments, for example the bust of Winston Churchill? Isn’t Trump’s businesses a Corporation? Are they talking about personal gifts or business transactions?


14 posted on 01/23/2017 6:27:08 AM PST by mia
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/09/some-misgivings-about-the-foreign-emoluments-clause-arguments/


15 posted on 01/23/2017 6:28:42 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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The group will file suit to a friendly far left judge in the West, It will go to the 9th Circus and finally have to be resolved by the Supreme Court.

In the meantime the media and faux outraged protesters will play it non-stop once a district court rules.


16 posted on 01/23/2017 6:32:57 AM PST by georgiarat (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Volttai)
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To: detective

So...they’ll be going after the Clinton Foundation next, right?


17 posted on 01/23/2017 6:34:22 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: Bushbacker1

They are liberals. They sue only conservatives. They’re trying to make another name for themselves, dufus.


18 posted on 01/23/2017 6:37:37 AM PST by tillacum (I've been a Great Deplorable, from the beginning of DJT's entrance into politics.)
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To: C210N

which is why I said what I said


19 posted on 01/23/2017 6:42:18 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: detective
... said that because Trump-owned buildings take in rent, room rentals and other payments from foreign governments, the president has breached the Emoluments Clause.

These are not "emoluments" because they did not begin after Trump took office.

These were existing business transaction cash flows that existed prior to Trump becoming President.

One could argue that a particular foreign government only began staying at Trump hotels after he became President, but if that renting of hotel rooms replaces another rental, then the net cash flow effect to Trump is zero, suggesting that there was no emolument because there was no gain to Trump.

-PJ

20 posted on 01/23/2017 6:42:22 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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