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To: Steve_Seattle

All sides of this debate are extremely sloppy with their facts, logic and especially their language.

A quote refers to non-citizens.
Then a jump is made to illegals.

There are far more legal non-ctizens in the US than illegals. In my experience, far more legal non-citizens are registered to vote than illegals.

In other comments, language confusion exists over jumping from illegal voting to illegal immigrants as if they are the same. They are not the same. Far more illegal voting involves the dead, and especially citizens who moved and are still registered at their old address than involves non-citizens, let alone illegal non-citizens.

The article for this thread states: social security card/number is a common a requirement to register to vote. I checked all the big states that have most of the immigrants. In none of them is a social security card/number a requirement to register, or to vote. I have followed this professionally and I am not aware of any small state that requires it, although I did not check every single one of them specifically for this.

Can anyone name a single state where a social security card/number is a requirement to register? or to vote?

Many more examples could be given of fake facts, bad logic and especially confusion of language.


32 posted on 01/26/2017 4:40:52 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
According to an article in Wikipedia (to which I do not give COMPLETE credibility), there are about 11.5 million illegals in this country. For various reasons, I think that figure is probably understated by several million. (One reason is that many "powers that be" have reason to understate the figure.)

If there are 15 million illegals, many of whom have been here for decades, have jobs, have driver's licenses, and other forms of ID, I think it is reasonable to assume that 10% or more of them vote in presidential elections. (In just the last three years, California alone has issued driver's licenses to more than 800,000 illegals.)

Not only are ID requirements for voting often very lax, we have every reason to think that authorities in many jurisdictions turn a blind eye to illegal voting, or even encourage it. Democrats almost ALWAYS fight any attempt to require ID for purposes of voting.

Then, as you say, there is the large number of non-illegal non-citizens, and if 5-15% of those people vote, the number of illegal votes might jump to 2-3 million, in the range that Trump us claiming.

At any rate, I am absolutely convinced that the number of illegals who vote is at a minimum several hundred thousand, far above the claims of Trump's critics, who often suggest that almost no illegals ever vote.
33 posted on 01/26/2017 8:13:52 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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