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The biggest potheads aren't who you'd guess
NYPost ^ | February 7, 2017 | Gabrielle Fonrouge

Posted on 02/07/2017 9:17:47 AM PST by HLPhat

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To: mom of young patriots
No, I think you are the one with the misunderstanding. You don't seem to realize that freedom is a two way street and that for your freedoms to be respected you have to respect the freedoms of others to live their lives as they please. The War Against Drugs, supported by people such as yourself, has done great harm to our country and you just don't seem to understand that. Why is that? Are you really so afraid that drugs might corrupt your little "young patriots" that you are willing to raise them up to be drug law enforcers who will lock people in cages for many years for doing nothing more than enjoying the freedoms that our Founding Fathers enjoyed?
81 posted on 02/08/2017 11:54:43 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: NobleFree

“If you want them on-call for you, compensate them don’t shackle them.”

Who said I want them “on call”????
Shyt happens! family is supposed to look after each other. Not get stoned or drunk every weekend and when elderly parents need help they are useless to everyone.
Yeah, guess who becomes the responsible one in these cases?
Who always gets the phone call in the middle of the night?

Legalize it and teach kids it’s great stuff and to start early right? Oh we already have kids starting early.

It’s a pothead paradise coming soon to America I know.
I won’t stand in your way.
enjoy the unintended consequences.


82 posted on 02/08/2017 12:08:40 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: HLPhat

“Today’s pot puffers say they’re no head cases...”

They always say that - but all you have to do is read their letters to the editor, blog posts etc. to see that they can’t even string coherent sentences together to make their “we’re no head cases” argument.


83 posted on 02/08/2017 12:32:21 PM PST by Let's Roll ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality" -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Legalize it and teach kids it’s great stuff and to start early right?

Is that what we currently "teach" kids about alcohol and tobacco, which are both legal?

We tell them it's "great stuff", and to "start early"?

The Prohibitionist Mind, with its selective hypocrisy, and the logical somersaults it requires to rationalize its Tyranny, is a wonder to behold.

Of course, advocating for the nanny-state invariably requires an ever-expanding police powers, profound disregard for inalienable rights, and bigger and bigger government bureaucracies to "save everyone from themselves".

And we wonder why the Left is so successful with some of their nanny-state Tyranny? It's a mindset which infects both "sides" of our phony political spectrum, and is a very useful tool for authoritarians who seek to exceed that which is minimally adequate to govern.

It's rather hypocritical to complain about nanny-state law when it's used to attack our vision of Liberty, and then turn around and embrace it when it attacks someone else's.

Real crime exists when one person infringes on the rights of another, through force, fraud, or negligence. Absent such underpinnings, "crime" just becomes whatever "rule" some Tyrannical bureaucrat from an alphabet agency decides to promulgate.

America should not be about establishing the "lowest common denominator" of Liberty, but precisely the opposite. How can anyone who purports to believe in minimal government say otherwise?

Contraband law is a joke, and always will be, bringing with it all the Tyrannical abuses which accrue to arbitrary and unjustifiable governance: disregard for the Fourth Amendment, a bloated and unaccountable police state, asset forfeiture, murderous, mistaken "drug raids", and on and on.

I prefer the animating struggle of Freedom, as opposed to some lesser vision which relies on tidy authoritarian shortcuts.

No "minimal government" has any business threatening its citizens with prison time for merely possessing the wrong plant, medicine, chemical, or liquid spirits.

When someone's rights are infringed upon, then an actual crime has occurred.

Some adult smoking a joint in the privacy of their own home shouldn't be subject to a prison sentence under any circumstances, and if they are, then the country they're living in is anything but Free...

84 posted on 02/08/2017 12:42:42 PM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: Garth Tater

When does “freedom” to abuse a substance turn into slavery to the substance itself. Hmm?

What you really want is freedom from consequences. You want your pot and you want it legal and you don’t care who gets hurt. Freedom without responsibility isn’t freedom at all. Your “freedom” will result in collateral damage to a lot of other lives, especially those who are too young to understand consequences before they get hooked on substances. They will think because the government permits an act, it sanctions it.

You should give up. This isn’t an argument you are going to win with me, but I have had fun anyway.


85 posted on 02/08/2017 2:18:56 PM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: mom of young patriots
This isn’t an argument you are going to win with me, but I have had fun anyway.

There is no argument between free people. We are each entitled to live our lives as we see fit. You on the other hand believe it is your right to incarcerate other people for not doing as you tell them to do. Freedom is not easy and you are not up to the task. I have no need to "win" any argument with you as your own words have already convicted you in the eyes of the Founding Fathers.
86 posted on 02/08/2017 2:35:31 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Garth Tater

You didn’t comprehend what I wrote. Like I said, this is not an argument you are going to win with me.

BTW. When you resort to insults, you lose control of the debate. You did that in your last post.


87 posted on 02/08/2017 3:14:40 PM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: mom of young patriots
By "win the debate with me" you must mean "convince you" since the debate was won long ago by our Founding Fathers when they wrote and then fought for the Declaration of Independence which states: Did you note where they did not include "unless the exercise of these rights causes someone, somewhere to be inconvenienced or displeased"?

People have the right to pursue their own happiness. You disagree with that which leads me to say again - Freedom ain't easy and you aren't up to the task.
88 posted on 02/08/2017 3:36:50 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Who said I want them “on call”???? Shyt happens! family is supposed to look after each other.

Like I said.

Oh we already have kids starting early.

Since young people have been reporting for many years that they can get cannabis more easily than beer or cigarettes, it seems that it's banning cannabis for adults that hurts young people - by putting cannabis in the black market, beyond the reach of effective regulation such as age limits.

89 posted on 02/08/2017 7:10:21 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: mom of young patriots
those who are too young to understand consequences before they get hooked on substances.

Since young people have been reporting for many years that they can get cannabis more easily than beer or cigarettes, it seems that it's banning cannabis for adults that hurts young people - by putting cannabis in the black market, beyond the reach of effective regulation such as age limits.

They will think because the government permits an act, it sanctions it.

Is that what they think about the harmful addictive substances alcohol and tobacco? Should we ban those for adults?

90 posted on 02/08/2017 7:15:26 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Garth Tater

Meh.


91 posted on 02/08/2017 7:37:58 PM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: mom of young patriots

Yeah, I know. It’s hard to raise young patriots when your words directly contradict the words and ideals of our Founders.


92 posted on 02/08/2017 7:43:31 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: AppyPappy

I’m laughing, and trying to think of something witty to say and . . .

I’ve got nothing!

LOL


93 posted on 02/08/2017 8:05:01 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Garth Tater

Meh.


94 posted on 02/09/2017 6:01:54 AM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: sargon

I don’t want more laws.
I want Americans choosing to not get stoned and drunk because it’s the right thing to do. But that’s not going to happen. Legalizing pot just says GREEN LIGHT to the young.


95 posted on 02/10/2017 9:17:05 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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