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To: sargon
Look at your second paragraph in which you accuse me of the "shallowest of 'analysis'" but without a word of analysis of your own, just your own conclusion. You seldom get near the facts perhaps because I am living rent free in your head.

Every one of the warnings which I raised on Saturday have been vindicated over and over on the establishment left wing networks. The fact is Trump has left himself vulnerable by the erratic nature of his tweets, by its failure to produce any evidence to support his claim. He leaves himself open to the charges of being erratic, he leaves himself open to the charges that he has brought charges without proof, the commentators point out that he has the power to produce such proof but has not done so. He has been refuted on three levels. All problems which I pointed out in my "analysis."

Indeed, the President of the United States has the power and the authority to produce the evidence right now but he has chosen not to. Worse, he has issued a cryptic statement that there would be no more comments until the congressional investigations plod on to a conclusion, God knows when that might be. Inevitably, the president appears to be backtracking.

Whatever support that has been mustered for his claims has been forthcoming largely from a real conservative detested by so many on this forum, Mark Levin, who has done the president's work for him as best it can be done in the absence of responsible action by the president himself.

If you think it is responsible for the president of the United States to tweet charges generating a potential constitutional crisis without offering any proof, then you believe that it is proper for him to do so for political reasons. You applaud politicizing this constitutional crisis. I am not against reaping the political benefits, but there must be a legal and constitutional basis for these kinds of charges or it diminishes the office of the president and ultimately causes a lack of faith in the individual. It confirms every left-wing allegation that the man is unstable. It is not a proper way to proceed in a constitutional crisis and licking our chops over illusory political short-term gains is ultimately self-defeating.

Either Obama has ordered wiretapping of Trump or he has not. If he has, the uproar will be immense. If he has not, the backlash will be very painful for all of us who have hopes for Donald Trump. I have hopes for Donald Trump, not Donald Trump right or wrong, but Donald Trump conservative.


97 posted on 03/08/2017 1:27:29 AM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
As usual, you're way behind the curve with respect to President Trump's actions.

There is ample evidence supporting surveillance of the Trump campaign, under whatever flimsy auspices it may have been justified.

President Trump's tweet totally obliterated the Russian Hacking narrative. It has virtually disappeared from the news.

Every one of the warnings which I raised on Saturday have been vindicated over and over on the establishment left wing networks.

Your warnings have been vindicated on the fake news networks? How very impressive.

Let me know when they are vindicated on any real news networks.

Fortunately, we have an informed punditry which strongly disagrees with your incisive "analysis".

You seem to live in an alternate reality in which the Left wing news networks possess some kind of vestigial integrity or relevancy to what's happening in this country.

Perhaps if you were on the ground here in America, you'd realize how detached from reality these networks are.

President Trump will produce whatever "proof" he cares to in his own time. Meanwhile, as I've indicated, along with several other objective minds, plenty of evidence has been cited.

Again, I don't hear Mark Levin fretting about the issues which seem to so effectively put you in a tizzy.

Charges of the President being erratic, charges that he has brought charges without proof—the Left wing networks (along with you, of course) will continue to make such empty claims, and they will continue offer impotent "refutations". And you will apparently continue to give them credence they don't merit.

These same networks have been contradicting themselves furiously ever since the President's tweet.

He leaves himself open to the charges of being erratic, he leaves himself open to the charges that he has brought charges without proof, the commentators point out that he has the power to produce such proof but has not done so. He has been refuted on three levels.

Yes. And it's very telling that Mark Levin hasn't adopted your ridiculous tact of second-guessing the President's tweets. I don't hear Mark Levin whining about the President's those at all. Indeed, it's as if he doesn't think that they were the missteps that you have waxed so hysterical about.

Either Obama has ordered wiretapping of Trump or he has not.

You know darn well that if the President did do this, it will be wrapped in several layers of plausible deniability.

Thus, your entire absolutist premise is absurd.

Basically, you're running around here raising the same Establishment arguments that the Democrats and Media (but I repeat myself) have been clinging to for several days, and you are apparently unaware of the general level of disdain that the American people have for such hair-splitting.

You simply are incapable of viewing this political situation objectively. At least if I'm going to be guilty of being subjective, I'm going to "err" on the side of the President.

You, on the other hand, are merely echoing the same disingenuous Establishment gripes that we hear on the news 24/7.

The evidence supporting the general notion that the President and his campaign were spied on by the Democrats is all over the place. If it was a snake, it would have bitten you.

Here in the real world, Congressional investigations are getting underway, and this evidence which you and the Left seem to be insisting is lacking will soon be voluminous enough that even you (and they) won't be able to continue denying it.

As for your "Constitutional Crisis", if you're not aware that this is a political battle that's occurring between the President and the Enemy of the People, then you're detached from reality.

Of course, your claim that the President of the United States is tweeting "charges generating a potential constitutional crisis without offering any proof" is another testament to your unhinged perception of what's really happening.

President Trump isn't going to play by your rules. He's been using a different set over the last couple of years, and very effectively, apparently, inasmuch as he sits in the oval office.

I think I'll continue to defer to his judgement and timing, as opposed to that of someone who can barely stand the man.

The fact is, you've been wrong about this man for going on 2 years, and there's no sign that you've seen the light as yet.

So just stick with the your cut-and-dried arguments and criticisms, which essentially indistinguishable from what we hear from the mainstream media on a daily basis.

I'm sure President Trump is overwhelmed at the knowledge that you still "have hopes" for him. I certainly am deeply moved by your heartfelt expressions of goodwill towards the President. How profoundly gracious of you...

129 posted on 03/08/2017 10:14:46 AM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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