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1 posted on 03/16/2017 4:30:49 PM PDT by Helicondelta
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I missed that, did anyone else hear that during the presser


2 posted on 03/16/2017 4:32:06 PM PDT by McGavin999
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7 posted on 03/16/2017 4:39:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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When I heard this carefully phrased denial from James Clapper I thought it was very interesting:

“I will say that, for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap”


8 posted on 03/16/2017 4:39:31 PM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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"Sean Spicer claimed British spies were drafted in to avoid any “American fingerprints" on the alleged surveillance"

OMG! These people are such idiots. Sean Spicer was reading a report made by Judge Napolitano two days ago.

Judge Nap: Obama 'Went Outside Chain of Command,' Used British Spy Agency to Surveil Trump

9 posted on 03/16/2017 4:41:49 PM PDT by Spunky
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Head of the spies quit to spend time with his family.

Yes, they were involved.


11 posted on 03/16/2017 4:48:42 PM PDT by RummyChick
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First of two parts and maybe more on the 7+ decades long history of the UK’s spying on our people and us spying on their people.

UKUSA Agreement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UKUSA Community: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States

The United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /;/ew-koo-sah)[1][2] is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as the Five Eyes.[3][4][5][6][7]

In classification markings this is abbreviated as FVEY, with the individual countries being abbreviated as AUS, CAN, NZL, GBR, and USA, respectively.[8]

Emerging from an informal agreement related to the 1941 Atlantic Charter, the secret treaty was renewed with the passage of the 1943 BRUSA Agreement, before being officially enacted on 5 March 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States. In the following years, it was extended to encompass Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Other countries, known as “third parties”, such as West Germany, the Philippines, and several Nordic countries also joined the UKUSA community.[9][10]

Much of the sharing of information is performed via the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network, which has been claimed to contain “some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets”.[11]

Besides laying down rules for intelligence sharing, the agreement formalized and cemented the “Special Relationship” between the UK and the USA.[12][13]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.

[13] On 25 June 2010, for the first time in history, the full text of the agreement was publicly released by the United Kingdom and the United States, and can now be viewed online.[9][15] Shortly after its release, the seven-page UKUSA Agreement was recognized by Time magazine as one of the Cold War’s most important documents, with immense historical significance.[13]

The global surveillance disclosure by Edward Snowden has shown that the intelligence-sharing activities between the First World allies of the Cold War are rapidly shifting into the digital realm of the Internet.[16][17][18]

Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.


13 posted on 03/16/2017 4:49:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spygate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.

“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”

Well, Nancy how about this:

MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]

GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.

Contents:

1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
Overview:

The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)
MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.

In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:

According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.
The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]

According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]

Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]

Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.

According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)


15 posted on 03/16/2017 4:54:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spygate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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Let's get this straight.

A FOX reporter (Napolitano) has three sources and makes a public report.

The NY Times reports that Trump was wiretapped.

President Trump promises evidence will be forthcoming.

Yet, the other journalists will rely on the "word" of a former Obama partisan who says that it didn't happen?

OK, got it.

17 posted on 03/16/2017 5:09:16 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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With the exception of Winston Churchill, all too often have the British been unreliable friends to our nation. The fact that a man as great as Nigel Farage is treated so poorly by the political elite is telling.

Diplomatic relations with England need to be severed until an explanation and apology are offered


18 posted on 03/16/2017 5:10:45 PM PDT by WashingtonFire (President Trump - it's like having your dad as President !)
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He did not claim that. He said that Judge Napolitano reported that three different intelligent agents told him that. This is exactly how fake news stories get reported.


19 posted on 03/16/2017 5:17:45 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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Bookmark


21 posted on 03/16/2017 5:23:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Let the bait run on the line till the fish is tired. Then set the book. Right now the media/senate is running on the bait.


22 posted on 03/16/2017 5:32:55 PM PDT by keving (We are the Government)
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Why would Obama use British spies to get around the the law? I thought he was not a big fan of England. Maybe he directed a swap with French Intelligence or the Russians even? Can you imagine if he had the Russians spying on us?


23 posted on 03/16/2017 5:34:04 PM PDT by TBall
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UK spying bump for later....


27 posted on 03/16/2017 6:04:40 PM PDT by indthkr
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Judge NAP has 3 intelligenceb agency patriots that confirm this act of war on our President. It is true ,as far as I am concerned and there should be quick and sure retribution on GCHQ and the British that permitted this aggression. NO MERCY!!


32 posted on 03/16/2017 7:50:31 PM PDT by WENDLE (We said REPEAL the socialism NOT replace with other socialism.!! RINOCARE GOES NOWHERE)
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I hate it when Napolitano gets it wrong. I worked for GCHQ during the cold war and differ with him on what we did. The Brits and the Yanks divided up targets to share the load in information gathering and analysis through various espionage activities. There was a lot of overlap in their coverage for verification and capture purposes.Spying on their own citizens was of no interest to us. That activity is left to other agencies such as the CIA and special branches.

GCHQ and NSA are very competitive and often use Eyes Only to hide information from each other until their analysis is complete and they can declare victory.

They let the Canadians in to certain espionage areas under what is known as the CANUKUS arrangement.

All this information used to be very secret but these governments opened up several years ago.

33 posted on 03/16/2017 8:18:27 PM PDT by fision
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How do you prove the database was accessed? The point is that they would not sign any access document; they would lie.

How do you prove it.

1. Informant

2. Capability + public transcript of the inexplicable

3. Some kind of digital disruption or erasure of known revealed info?


38 posted on 03/17/2017 1:04:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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The Whitehouse must get away from using sensationalist Fox, and especially Napolitano, as one of their primary sources of intelligence else they will use all credibility.


45 posted on 03/17/2017 6:58:14 AM PDT by fision
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