Posted on 03/22/2017 5:34:29 AM PDT by ShivaFan
Ted Cruz is an assh8le and will never be elected
Cruz is now chairing the committee that will oversee the NASA mission to Mars. He’ll be busy for the next 30 years. Winning.
You are going to stroke out, you need to chill. I know it’s heresy to even mention here but maybe Trump isn’t right on this Ryan care thing. It might do more damage to the economy in the long run if the Republicans pass a bad bill and the Democrat machine can saddle them with a label. If the Republicans lose too much ground in the mid terms you can kiss Trump’s agenda good bye. The where will we be?
Trump met with House Republicans in a closed-door session to warn them that failure to pass this bill is not an option. According to some lawmakers, he told anyone thinking of voting no that “I'm going to come after you, but I know I won't have to because I know you'll vote yes.”
Repealing The ObamaCare Train Wreck Has Become A Train Wreck
(Investor's Business Daily ^ | 4/21/2017 | Staff
Posted here on 3/22/2017, 7:06:41 AM )
Coming after you?
Market declined Tuesday because of the odds that AHCA will not pass the House, not the other way around. THe market wants Ryan’s agenda to be fulfilled.
Getting cold feet after betting the farm in the stock markets?
As a Trump supporter I am concerned about the Obamacare Repeal and Replace Bill. Besides Rand Paul, there are many Conservative Organizations mobilizing opposition to RyanCare.
If the Republicans do not have the backbone to outright repeal Obamacare, then the Republicans should let Obamacare implode as it is on course to do.
I agree with you. And while I am disgusted by McCain and Graham’s actions against Trump, before and after the election, I think Cruz has come around in supporting him, and I think Rand Paul is trying to be sure they end up with a workable health care bill. I would rather they get it right than push something through for the sake of saying it is done.
How are the markets doing today?
The most idiotic, nonsensical post I have seen at FR for a long time. Ryancare is rubbish. Period. It needs a be killed. Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan are heroes for fighting against Ryancare.
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I think you meant Ted Cruz and RAND Paul are heroes ....
And on that I agree. Too many Freepers - like Shiva here - see Ted Cruz as bad. Bad, I tell you. The enemy.
What they fail to remember is the dinner meeting he had several weeks back with Pres. Trump. Cruz is playing a key role here in repeal/replace.
What I am hoping is that the bill passes in the house, one passes in the senate, and then, in reconciliation, we get something decent. It is a big risk but I don’t think standing pat is an option.
What I am hoping is that the bill passes in the house, one passes in the senate, and then, in reconciliation, we get something decent. It is a big risk but I don’t think standing pat is an option.
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Exactly my plan as well. And the obvious argument to make to the remaining NO votes to get them to go along. I’m betting it will go this way in the end.
I would suggest that instead of accusing every single good intentioned Republican or Conservative of trying to sabotage Trump’s presidency ( NOT TRUE ) simply because they do not agree in every policy with him, we objectively look at the issue that needs to be faced.
Let’s look at healthcare for instance. There are five factions in this battle.
1) The Democrats and the political left want government-run healthcare, in the form of universal coverage and/or single-payer.
2) Conservatives ( Count me in this bucket) want free market reforms without government involvement.
3) The establishments of both parties (e.g. Paul Ryan ) want only the status quo, slow walking any changes to the point that nothing changes.
4) A majority of Americans believe the federal government should make sure everyone has healthcare coverage.
5) Lastly President Trump has a goal of “insurance for everybody.”
Many folks in this forum talk as if trying to reconcile every single one of the above desires is easy. IT ISN’T.
What is unfair is to tar and feather every single person who disagrees with Trump as a sabotager with ill-intentions.
So, here’s how I see how a compromise could to more or less, reconcile the above disparate.
REMEMBER: The default is Obamacare, which is not working, is unpopular, leaves millions without insurance and is in a financial death spiral. Nothing changes until something changes.
Whether or not one likes it, A DEAL HAS TO BE MADE and Trump, the consummate deal maker will have to be in the thick of it.
My own thought is this:
TWO PLANS RUNNING IN PARALLEL SIDE BY SIDE.
1) PLAN A: Medicaid-for-all
2) PLAN B: free-market driven private insurance industry, free from government interference.
You get to choose which one you prefer.
PLAN A: Medicaid for all will include catastrophic coverage. Exactly what insurance is designed to protect against. The unexpected and expensive.
To analogize this with car insurance, This is for the car wreck, the accidents, not the oil change or new wipers.
Details can be worked out.
This should satisfy the political left as it provides their holy grail of universal coverage, and makes concern over preexisiting conditions moot. As well as the majority of Americans who by, “a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.” (See here: http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html )
PLAN B: Market driven private insurance. You are free to reject PLAN A and join PLAN B.
In Plan B, wegovernment out of the rest of the insurance business. No mandates. No essential benefits. No requirement for individuals to purchase insurance or for employers to provide it. An open market. Purchase what you want and need. Price competition and transparency.
Let individuals choose how to spend their money. Like purchasing other types of insurance – auto, home, disability, life, and so on.
Let health insurance companies nationwide COMPETE to provide their service just like every single insurance companies do for other types of insurance.
Many will be happy with their “free” Medicaid. Others will choose to purchase up for coverage of what they deem important. No one will be left uncovered.
That’s how I see how we can compromise given the practical reality we have to face with.
See..you shouldn’t have skipped your meds yesterday.
The Freedom Caucus, as well as many conservatives, are holding up on TWO issues...the individual mandate and the Cadillac tax.
If they would remove these two things...FC members would be on board. At least, this is how I understood Hannity explaining it, last night.
The Republicans in Congress should have taken Pres. Trump’s advice and left Obamacare to collapse on its own. Ryan’s plan will be a failure, and if it passes, the GOP will own it.
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