Posted on 05/01/2017 1:52:30 PM PDT by detective
Lee lost both of his invasions.
Antietam - lost due to a spy.
“When dawn broke along Antietam Creek on Sept. 17, 1862, cannon volleys launched a Civil War battle that would leave 23,000 casualties on the single bloodiest day in U.S. history and mark a crucial pivot point in the war. And yet it might never have occurred - if not for what a historian calls a “freakish” twist of fate. Days earlier, a copy of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s detailed invasion orders, wrapped around a few cigars, accidentally fell in a farm field and were discovered by Union infantrymen who passed their stunning find up the chain of command, spurring action.”
Gettysburg - Delay let Union get the high ground.
- Wasted his forces in Pickets charge.
- Custer was promoted 5 ranks to General. Led the 4 troops of Michigan Wolverines in some reckless charges which stopped a key Confederate movement.
So he should shut up when maligned and play nice like Bush? That’s what gave us Obama. I enjoy Trump’s comments and the lib heads exploding. Much amusement at their expense. Go Trump!
“On the third day of the Battle of Gettysburg (July 3, 1863) during the disastrous infantry assault nicknamed Pickett’s Charge, there were two cavalry battles: one approximately three miles (5 km) to the east, in the area known today as East Cavalry Field, the other southwest of the [Big] Round Top mountain (sometimes called South Cavalry Field).
The East Cavalry Field fighting was an attempt by Maj. Gen. J.E.B. Stuart’s Confederate cavalry to get into the Federal rear and exploit any success that Pickett’s Charge may have generated. Union cavalry under Brig. Gens. David McM. Gregg and George Armstrong Custer repulsed the Confederate advances.”
Trump is saying there was no need to kill 600,000 Americans in a Civil War.
lincoln the tyrant was bad news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gettysburg,_Third_Day_cavalry_battles
The story of the cavalry battles fought at Gettysburg on July 3, 1863 are not well known.
It was when I visited this field in 1997 that I learned from the monuments that the 1st New Jersey Cavalry fought alongside Custer and the Michigan cavalry.
I did not even know NJ had any cavalry.
On that visit, I spent three days by myself, tracing the battle day by day, and area by area during the approximate times of the day/evening.
While battles like Antietam can be understood in a one day visit, Gettysburg is a whole different animal.
I knew coming to FR would explain it all. I just knee jerk ignore the news when I hear it now.
I knew coming to FR would explain it all. I just knee jerk ignore the news when I hear it now.
As another Yankee said, “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”
Breckinridge was one of the leaders of the Democrat Party in the 1850’s. Like Jefferson Davis and others he was a secessionist but he was far from the only one. Many of the leading secessionists were part of the Pierce and Buchanan administrations.
1: Breckinridge split the democrat party into two parties.
Caleb Carr, Jefferson Davis, Judah Benjamin and several others split the Democrat Party in 1860. Southern Democrats walked out of the 1860 convention.
2: Breckenridge won the southern states. Every one of Breckenridges strong states would soon secede. A strong leader would have convinced his followers to remain in the Union and engaged in a more measured method of secession.
Breckinridge did not win Tennessee or Virginia. He did win Maryland and Delaware. Breckinridge wanted secession. He did not want the southern states to remain in the union.
3: Breckenridge next got appointed to the US Senate. He did not use his leadership position in the Senate to preserve the Union. Eventually, he gets expelled for treason and becomes a general with the Confederates.
Breckinridge was part of the confederate inner circle even when he was in the Senate.
Breckinridge was just one of several leading Democrats involved in the secession. But you are right. He was one of the leaders.
Excellent post.
The cavalry battle was very important to the Battle of Gettysburg.
Gettysburg - Delay let Union get the high ground.
- Wasted his forces in Pickets charge.
- Custer was promoted 5 ranks to General. Led the 4 troops of Michigan Wolverines in some reckless charges which stopped a key Confederate movement.
Have you read The Killer Angels?
It is a novel but an excellent account of the Battle of Gettysburg.
Did you appreciate the role Custer played in saving the battle that day?
Lee’s plan was to have Stuart’s horses in the rear of the Union line to cause them to panic... while assaulting then from the front. But the assault from the front went of very late -2 pm.
And Custer’s reckless and bold leadership stopped the Confederate horse in the rear.
Of the casualties on the Union side, I think 90 percent were Custer’s men.
I was surprised that Custer was at Gettysburg—as a major.
He was the key to routing Stuart.
His death 14 years later at Little Big Horn has been the source of much speculation of political intrigues due to his popularity and ambitions and whether he may have been “set up”.
I’m a Christian, sorry, I don’t approve of slavery, this is pretty sickening.
The States of the South in their declarations of secession clearly state they were fighting over slavery.
Shows how phony those claiming to be Christians are.
A long time ago... required reading in a College history course I think.
An excellent historical novel.
The Mass Union leader, can’t remember his name, ordered the fixing of bayonets and a counter charge after they had run out of bullets. Think that
Was in the little round too.
He saved the day.
So they moved them to the center of the line for a ‘rest’. Only to end up in Pickett’s charge.
So you say slavery is okay? Are you a Christian?
This talk is pretty sick. I had relatives who fought for the South but the usual South hate on the North is nauseating.
The South was wrong, the war was already going on in Kansas and Missouri over the state lines. Abolitionists were active. Everyone knew before he was elected that Lincoln would seek to end slavery.
Should have left the South to the demographic changes, they’d be majority slave; and Texas is a minority-majority state now, Georgia will be in 2025.
Except slave rebellions started before the country was even a nation: http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=maps
A big one in NY in 1712 even.
Not a major. A newly promoted brigadier general !
He had been bumped FIVE RANKS just the week before and been in charge of the 4 Michigan units. So he has not even had time to say ‘howdy’ to his units.
There were 2 other big promotions with Custer. But one of them died in battle soon thereafter.
The movie version, ‘They Died with their boots on’, has the promotion being accidental. They we’re going to punish Custer for an infraction, and instead in the panic of the moment promoted him. They were getting ready to rescind the promotion when his repeated charges of the Confederates saved the day.
But given the reorganization, I the appointment was deliberate and not accidental.
The site is a bit vague here. Reportedly Custer had been ordered elsewhere. He disobeyed that order by ‘asking’ the commander where he was for permission to stay and fight.
“but the latter was stationed on the Baltimore Pike. David Gregg’s one-brigade command was supplemented by the newly formed “Michigan Brigade” of Brig. Gen. George Armstrong Custer. Custer was assigned to the division of Brig. Gen. Judson Kilpatrick but happened to be on loan to David Gregg and requested permission from Gregg to join his fight. “
In either case, Custer led two charges, and lost two horses that day.
His daring stopped the Confederates.
“Everyone knew before he was elected that Lincoln would seek to end slavery.”
Lincoln and the Republicans did not want to “end slavery”.
They wanted to prevent a slave based economic system in the Midwest and the west. Many Midwesterners, including Lincoln’s father, had left the slave based economy of the south because they felt there were no opportunities there for people like them.
They did not propose ending slavery in the south.
Very few northerners wanted an immediate end to slavery.
“The Mass Union leader, can’t remember his name, ordered the fixing of bayonets and a counter charge after they had run out of bullets. Think that was in the little round too.”
That was Colonel (later General) Joshua Chamberlain. He was from Maine not Massachusetts. His troops occupied the extreme western edge of Little Round Top.
He led a bayonet charge that prevented the Confederates from capturing the important high ground which would have allowed them to bring up cannon and shell the union lines.
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