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FIRE WEST LONDON (facebook live)
FOX6 News Milwaukee ^ | 6/13/2017 | live video

Posted on 06/13/2017 7:47:02 PM PDT by Brown Deer

Watch live: A huge fire has engulfed a 24-story apartment block in West London.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: asbestos; fire; globalwarminghoax; greenbuildings; grenfelltower; localnews; london; nottinghill; unitedkingdom
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To: mewzilla

Presser: Still in emergency response mode. 20 in critical care in hospital. Unaccounted for number not known yet. Fire brigade is in the building. Fire brigade on scene within 6 minutes....


321 posted on 06/14/2017 4:38:19 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: mewzilla

Top half of building is a blackened, charred mess, at least on the exterior...


322 posted on 06/14/2017 4:40:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: meyer

Um, no, they run on electricity. We had one in a camping trailer. There is no generator to run the compressor or combustion engine to create the mechanical energy to compress the gasses in the refrigerator. Just a different method of creating cold with different gasses.


323 posted on 06/14/2017 4:47:53 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesnÂ’t have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: Steely Tom

On viewing the blackened shell, it is obvious that the building is concrete and the structure will not burn. However, as related by an engineer and is clearly visible, the exterior cladding caught fire and then caught the interior ablaze through broken windows.

The exterior is never sprinkler protected.


324 posted on 06/14/2017 4:48:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: mewzilla

Per guest on BBC policy: questions about lack of sprinklers, exterior cladding, fire doors didn’t work to slow spread, stay put policy...


325 posted on 06/14/2017 4:49:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: bert

In this case, the interior wasn’t sprinkler protected, either.


326 posted on 06/14/2017 4:50:12 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: keat

We never had an igniter on ours, it was plugged in (and no, there was not a piezo starter on there either).


327 posted on 06/14/2017 4:51:38 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesnÂ’t have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: jurroppi1

“Um, no, they run on electricity. We had one in a camping trailer. There is no generator to run the compressor or combustion engine to create the mechanical energy to compress the gasses in the refrigerator. Just a different method of creating cold with different gasses.”

Generally the refrigerator in a camper/RV/off grid can run on 12V DC, 120V AC, or propane. The propane does indeed power the refrigerator when the 12V or 120V is not available.

You have 3 way and 2 way fridges. The two way ones are usually propane or 120V ac powered. The 3 way ones add the 12V DC capability.

Mfg Part #: RML8555R

Tech Notes:

Refrigerator capacity without freezer: 6.7 cu. ft.
Freezer capacity: 1.2 cu. ft.
12V DC/ 120V AC/ LP
Right door hinge

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/dometic-rml-8555r-euro-6-7-cu-ft-3-way-refrigerator/56313


328 posted on 06/14/2017 4:53:55 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

London mayor Sadiq Khan on scene and holding a presser.


329 posted on 06/14/2017 4:57:15 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: ltc8k6

Yeah, I looked it up and you are talking about an absorption refrigerator. The one in our RV did not have a pilot,(though it had ammonia gas - I remember the leak). Ours didn’t have a switch like that either, I would bet residential units are different than RV units, but I could be wrong.


330 posted on 06/14/2017 4:59:04 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesnÂ’t have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: jurroppi1

I found out that there are even kerosene powered fridges.

https://www.lehmans.com/product/dometic-kerosene-refrigerator/gas-refrigerators-freezers


331 posted on 06/14/2017 5:02:55 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: jurroppi1

Yes, the residential ones that might explode are the ones using propane as the refrigerant.

The problem is the propane leaking into the box, creating an explosive mixture in a sealed container.


332 posted on 06/14/2017 5:04:51 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: exit82

The staircase can act like a chimney. someone opens a door and boom, it flashes. But one would think that for this to happen so quickly and completely it had to had some help.


333 posted on 06/14/2017 5:14:29 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: ltc8k6

Nifty, though that model doesn’t have a thermostat :(


334 posted on 06/14/2017 5:56:44 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The Left doesnÂ’t have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
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To: ltc8k6

I’m old enough to remember natural gas air conditioners. Whole house air conditioners. Not too popular, but I’ve seen them once or twice. The only thing electric was the blower for the air circulation in the house or building.

I’m certain that older campers used propane for most everything since it was/is relatively portable and doesn’t require a hookup.


335 posted on 06/14/2017 5:57:43 AM PDT by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: Brown Deer

Just catching up with overnight headlines and read this on Drudge:

Mom threw baby from ninth floor

==

The Sun reports:

A heroic bystander caught the tot.

6 dead, toll expected to rise; 74 injured, 20 of which are critical.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3795682/london-fire-eyewitness-accounts-grenfell-tower-throwing-children-parachute/


336 posted on 06/14/2017 6:32:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: matt04
From what I understand in modern systems, if critical components of sprinkle systems are shut off such as pumps or main valves it triggers a “trouble” alarm in the fire panel. it will not sound the alarm and cause a evacuation, but the alarm company will get a alert that something is wrong.

True.

Fortunately, no one who is prepared to burn a high rise full of people alive, like a pilot in a cage or 19 Yazidi girls burned alive for refusing to have sex with their ISIS captors or even a DMV clerk (see post #22 this thread) would ever disable an alarm system!

337 posted on 06/14/2017 6:32:41 AM PDT by null and void ( The Flat Earth Society claims they have members all around the globe!)
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To: Greenpees

Unless, of course, the arsonist(s) disconnected the sprinklers off alarm.


338 posted on 06/14/2017 6:39:19 AM PDT by null and void ( The Flat Earth Society claims they have members all around the globe!)
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To: null and void

Update: 12 dead. 64 in hospital. Unconfirmed report of the fire starting after a refrigerator exploded on the 23/24 floor. Okaaay....


339 posted on 06/14/2017 9:30:53 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: mewzilla

Per BBC: “A lot of people” still unaccounted for...


340 posted on 06/14/2017 9:31:47 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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