Posted on 06/27/2017 11:04:19 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
Edited on 06/27/2017 11:37:17 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Sources tell the Associated Press that Senate Republican leaders have abruptly delayed the vote on their health care bill until after the July 4th recess.
That's the word Tuesday as the GOP faced five defections from its ranks just hours after the Congressional Budget Office said the bill would force 22 million off insurance rolls.
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It should be the simplest thing in the world to bring it back.
That’s fine, if they can’t just do that-then, why did they showboat with meaningless repeal votes ever since it was enacted, until they were in a position where they really could vote to repeal it? What was the point of those votes? They should have been out there explaining that now we’re stuck with this turkey, and all we can do is tweak it on the way to the rats enacting single payer in the end (while the insurance companies and pharmaceutical industries get theirs).
And all of this was cooked into it, and the Rs didn’t fight it tooth and nail when it mattered, and played the game with the Ds. They sure held enough “repeal” votes when they were sure to get a veto.
Is there some way to give it to the states?
“let’s just have a straight up or down vote on repeal in both the House and Senate and then primary out any who vote no.”
The problem is just 3 of the safest GOP senators would vote against it. If they were removed then the next safest 3 would vote against it. If it was vote repeal without knowing anyone’s vote I bet less than 15 GOP Senators would vote for repeal.
The GOP, part of the problem not part of the solution. The GOP is about the GOP, not about America.
I keep saying it: REPEAL THE DAMN THING!
Who knew so many Repub Senators were Obamacare supporters?
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Straight repeal of Obamacare would be the surest way for the GOP to lose the House in 2018 that I can think of. Candidates who supported it would be pummeled with the “cold-hearted conservative letting people die in the street” accusation—fair or not.
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Yep, it seems only the (D) have the will to fall on their swords for an election or two to forward their agenda. The (R) can’t find their asses w/ both hands (HINT: It’s where their heads are located).
They sure seem to enjoy being the minority party. Maybe, for once, they DO fall, then happily hand over the reins again.
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Don’t forget that the reason that Obamacare—despite the fact that it was the totally wrong way to proceed—got any traction in the first place was because of the crappy conditions which prevailed with health care at the time.
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And the true root cause of ‘crappy conditions’ were because....OF GOVT intervention and perverting the Free Market. Again, thank your (R) for standing around w/ their d* in their hands. Majorities during G.W., and what did We get: TSA, NSA, open borders, Part-D, NCLB and more....talk about ‘small govt’! Glad we gave them ANOTHER chance (to FORK us over some more).
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You need to face the reality that the vast majority of the voting public—including the GOP voting public—would not support a straight repeal of Obamacare, and indeed such a vote would, on balance, tend to harm any GOP candidates who supported it.
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Reality is it doesn’t matter what the MAJORITY *want*, the Constitution protects the minority from their enslavement by the masses. Coupled w/ the restrictions upon GOVT (A1S8), the bill shouldn’t even gotten off the ground (you can thank the (R) whom voted to let it out of committee)...
But, the Republic’s been dead for ~100yrs. now, so why is anyone crying now, right?
The (R) and the electorate don’t have the will to do a damn thing to slow-down the path to Socialism (most are in agreement in D.C.), let alone halt and DAMN sure nothing to reverse course.
Yet, every election the same people vote for the same ‘lesser’, expecting different results (Oh, we’ll hold their feet to the fire THIS time...).
If the (R) isn’t going to fight vs. NPR\NEA, what makes anyone think they’d repeal a massive entitlement?
‘18 is going to be REAL interesting, as they pull the wool over the eyes of the party (But, we T-R-I-E-D [just not since Trump got into office]), and the party members will nod their heads and say, “Bahhhh”.
Sorry, FRiend, but it’s excuses like yours (seem all too often these days. “Not enough political capital”, “only X number of ‘TRUE’ (C)”) that we’re the boat we’re in. Reduces this board and our discussions to academics\mental masturbation.
‘Cuz I don’t see the electorate oppressed enough that We are willing to turn off Monday Night Football, put down the iPad and whipping out the tar, feathers and the last box in the repertoire.
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This is true. Pure repeal now would leave all places that saw all insurance companies to pull out without insurance at all. Those people who lost policies under Ocare will rightly demand coverage.
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And those in Hell want ice water.
Plus, no company/corp/biz entity would be STUPID enough to leave said ‘gaping hole’ untouched (IE: voluntarily losing market share). In no time, the market will be back (presuming govt got a single brain cell and get out of the way...but, that might make people independent and we can’t have *that*).
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This is the issue the Rs must solve.
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The (R) couldn’t solve a 2-piece jig-saw puzzle; as if govt was created to SOLVE ‘problems’. Quite droll.
Please, pray tell, how to do that and still support the Constitution. You know, the dusty ol’ parchment they swore to uphold, defend and follow?
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No mandatory coverage, some pre-existing pool, and low-cist (but low benefit) general policies across state lines.
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Aside from ‘no mandatory’ & ‘across State lines’, everything else violates it.
Cuz, when you’re going down the wrong path, REVERSE is a *VERY* valid option.
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...it does nothing to rein in obscene drug prices...
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‘Obscene’? As defined by? What right/authority of govt to control prices??
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...it does nothing about eliminating obamacare mandates that make insurance unaffordable...
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Mandates are but a SLIVER of what makes ‘insurance’ (since we’re really talking INSURANCE). GOVT is what makes *everything* more $$$
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...WAY better off to pass no bill at all and let kommiecare collapse in a year, and THEN they’d have a universal mandate to actually repeal and replace...
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You must have been sleepy, you inadvertently added ‘...and replace’.
Aside from the few stumbles, I’d concur w/ your sentiment.
Though, IMO, the (R) should lose in ‘18, having already showed us their bitch-slap (passing multiple repeals then ‘mysteriously’ not able to do so when given Congress/WH again).
No apology, no excuses and, yet, some here will SILL pull the lever. Sorry, won’t vote for anyone\party that blatantly lies to my face. We gave you what you wanted, to give us what We wanted, and reneged on the promise.
Fool me once (GW), shame on me, fool me twice...but not thrice.
My $.02 (which, by now, costing more to create than its worth, is maybe -$.03?? Topic for another thread/day).
Business as usual.
More anonymousness from the Richmond times disgrace. Probably Chuckie boy warnar the insider investibator extrodinaire
Shouldn’t the fact that you can’t get 50 people to agree on what good health care is be proof enough to let people make their own decisions about things?
GOP: We can’t do anything about Obamacare until we have the House.
American voters: We’ll give you the House.
GOP: We can’t do anything about Obamacare until we have the Senate.
American voters: We’ll give you the Senate.
GOP: We can’t do anything about Obamacare until we have the Presidency.
American voters: We’ll give you the Presidency.
GOP: We can’t do anything.
Not if those states open their markets for other insurance companies .
They better repeal the darn thing.
Didn’t repubs promise to REPEAL nobamacare? Are these nincompoops again showing that they are traitors to their electorate?
Moocowski and Floozis Collis , RINOs extRoidinaire,Need their kickbacks ...
They are showing the same dang thing they always show.
Anyone who has been paying attention for the last 20 plus years should be able to see it.
They really have no plan and are incapable of governing.
Section 1. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010, commonly known as "Obamacare", is hereby repealed.
Section 2. All health care programs and policies of the federal government shall revert to the form they used prior to "Obamacare".
Section 3. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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