Posted on 08/11/2017 1:35:17 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
James Damore, the Google engineer that was fired for writing a memo criticizing the company’s diversity policies, said in a Thursday interview that Google employees publicly criticize people based on race and gender in meetings.
“You can openly shame white people or all men [at Google], and we do this in our company-wide meetings,” Damore said. “There’s definitely a bias toward certain movements.”
During the interview with the Daily Wire’s Ben Shapiro, Damore claimed that Google firing him for pushing “harmful gender stereotypes” only revealed the company’s overblown emphasis on diversity, denying allegations that his memo had pushed “harmful gender stereotypes.”
“They’re putting their ideology before truth,” Damore said. “When one side is just trying to guilt you and call you names, and the other is actually using evidence and science, you know which one is actually seeking truth.”
Damore also claimed diversity issues are often exaggerated at Google, citing an instance of a female employee who complained on message boards of not feeling “included” at the company. The woman had posted a question “that had something to do with gender,” Damore said. Her post received 300 votes, only 50 of which were “down votes,” but she nevertheless claimed that one in six people disagreeing with her was enough to make her not feel welcome.
Damore claimed Google’s obsession with diversity is so pervasive that “it may definitely be biasing who they do business with.” He said he only used scientific research in his memo and never claimed that women were biologically worse than men at tech jobs.
Google CEO Sundar Pichai explained Damore’s firing in his own memo, claiming that Damore had pushed “harmful gender stereotypes,” but Damore claims the company is vilifying him. (RELATED: ‘They Betrayed Me’ Google Engineer Who Wrote Diversity Memo Feels ‘Punished’) Despite the company’s reaction, he said many of his former colleagues supported his memo.
“Since I’ve written it there have been many people that privately message me and say that yeah I support you and yeah this is a real problem,” Damore said.
” so it seems a little odd that a bunch of smart white men with an overwhelming majority are going to be so badly outflanked as to be beaten up on by a small minority of women”
Not really. The real work is getting done, often by white men. But the company may well be lecturing everyone from on high about how women are superior to men, and promoting women above their accomplishments in an attempt to catch them up. That is, after all, the definition of affirmative action.
In 1980 I applied for a seasonal job. The nearly all male government agency informed me they could not hire me until the Friday before the job started, and then ONLY if no women applied. I was told any woman applicant would be hired regardless of qualifications.
During my time in the military, we often had top-down mandatory training which had zero to do with getting the job done, but which made the biases of the generals very clear. At least back then we didn’t have the military telling women to ignore it if someone with a penis started showering with them!
In fact, look at America. You can publicly criticize white men all day long, but heaven help you if you point out someone is too fat for a job, or that almost no women meet the physical standards, or that “diversity” isn’t much of a strength when compared to competency.
...but a lot of men in STEM fields are the ones that are more conservative.
That said, this is California, where you’d BETTER comply with group think. Going to another company may not be any different. I work for a Silicon Valley tech firm, the work force is not concentrated there though (I’m not there), so I don’t see this in general. I do notice though that MANY of my colleagues from CA are quick to assume everyone thinks like them (anti-Trump).
It’s as though there’s some sort of magic spell they’re all under. I always thought people would see obvious propaganda and laugh. It seems that more subtle propaganda, that is 24/7 and everywhere, is more influential than I ever would have thought. It’s like asking, how many in North Korea actually believe the BS? You’d think none, but you’d be risking your life to not play along - at what point do you convince yourself it must all be correct if only out of the need for self preservation?
>As a population, women ARE worse than men at tech jobs. ... They know they’re inferior and I think this leads to the kind of bitterness these Google employees engage in.
You’ve correctly called out the aggregate, but I don’t hire aggregates, I hire people. If the best person happens to be female, the average (or median) of all the people who didn’t apply or aren’t being considered doesn’t matter.
The converse is, of course, even sillier.
That’s what James wrote; yes, aggregates exist, and they matter, but don’t judge people by the ‘tribe’ (his word) to which they belong. In PC-land, even noticing this fact is taboo.
I haven't seen any indication that American conservatives are capable of doing anything greater than bitching about liberals on internet forums. I'll have to give the leftists credit; at least they're out there breaking things and punching people in their faces.
Fielding a combat brigade? You've got to be joking! Do you think this is going to be fought on a battlefield? This isn't 1861. This will be guerrilla war, fought in the streets. Leftists are very good at this. They're doing it already. Eventually the sap gloves and batons that balaclava-masked rioters in Berkeley will be replaced by Kalashnikovs. Do you think conservatives with jobs to work and families to raise will show up to these street battles?
You're correct however that intention and capability are two different animals. We have no intention. They do. And when the fighting starts, guns will be laying all over the streets.
A lot of “tech jobs” have very little to do with socializing. They’re science and fact driven. Things are either true or not, driving toward a solution. Men enjoy this sanity. Women often crave the more socially interacting jobs. This is why they’re more dominant in teaching & nursing.
...but I love how the “systemic patriarchy” results with far more men in prison than women, it must be because of discrimination, yet I don’t see women fighting to correct this ;p
Bkmrk
The entertainment industry has a lot to answer for in portraying white men as bumbling idiots. In jobs requiring physical strength too (like much of the military), I can see the irritation factor in the social engineering. But this guy was sitting on his butt doing detail oriented work, which is definitely a thing in the female wheelhouse.
He filed a discrimination complaint with the national labor board, then put out a memo which seems to be begging to be fired, and was in fact fired. He can now go after his former employer under California law and doesn’t even have to prove that he was ever discriminated against. He’ll never have to work again if he pulls this off.
He will also so poison the well for the Republicans that Nancy Pelosi might end up speaker again.
I'd have to say that it probably started to change and these classes started to proliferate right around the time that I retired in 1995. I was employed at Fort Hood in the civil service shortly thereafter and saw the change since that time.
“This guy had just filed a discrimination complaint with the National Labor Board against his employer, then turned around and wrote an inflammatory memo....
Care to actually back this up?? Specifically, your use of “had just”.
He’s a mugged liberal. He’ll come out conservative...a man with a brain.
If this is the case, it was filed November 23, 2015, which is not “just before.” His name is not mentioned, but this is the only one I could find.
https://www.nlrb.gov/case/32-CA-164766
He wrote the memo well before he filed the NLRB claim:
“The document is dated July, but it was leaked to journalists on Sunday (Aug 6) after more Googlers read the document and expressed their disgust on Twitter. CEO Sundar Pichai described Damore’s views as “offensive” and “not OK.”
During the interview, he said he wrote the memo to fill his time during a 12-hour work flight to China.”
Damore filed with the NLRB late Monday, August 7th.
The women who have the aptitude and ability for software engineering are not "biologically worse" than men in those jobs. There are fewer of them percentage-wise, which was one of his points.
From http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/08/james-damore-fired-google-memo-writer-files-nlrb-complaint.html
“Damore told the New York Times he’d be seeking legal action against the company for terminating him. “I have a legal right to express my concerns about the terms and conditions of my working environment and to bring up potentially illegal behavior, which is what my document does,” he said. Later on Monday (Aug 7), he did just that, filing a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board.
My beef is about the phrasing in this article not the original letter. I don’t know if Damore is conservative or not. Of course women who have the aptitude for the work are not biologically impaired. These conservative articles are blowing by that. I also heard this recently on conservative talk radio, starting with “women are equal to men in this area” then proceeding to talk about Damore’s firing. I guess I have a beef with it because it is the basis for affirmative action admissions/hiring.
My beef is about the phrasing in this article not the original letter. I don’t know if Damore is conservative or not. Of course women who have the aptitude for the work are not biologically impaired. These conservative articles are blowing by that. I also heard this recently on conservative talk radio, starting with “women are equal to men in this area” then proceeding to talk about Damore’s firing. I guess I have a beef with it because it is the basis for affirmative action admissions/hiring.
Well, if he filed only after the fact he won’t be able to claim retaliation for the filing. Wired says:
“However, Damore says that before he was fired, he filed a complaint, formally known as a charge, with the National Labor Relations Board, which administers some aspects of federal labor law.”
and
“Damore says he also plans to invoke a California law that bars employers from retaliating against workers who complain about illegal working conditions.”
https://www.wired.com/story/google-manifesto-author-just-might-have-a-legal-case/
We’ll see which is right, or if they both are if there can be more than one complaint.
“Well, if he filed only after the fact he won’t be able to claim retaliation for the filing.”
Please try to stay on point (if you can).
In post 87, you wrote:
“He filed a discrimination complaint with the national labor board, then put out a memo which seems to be begging to be fired,....”
This is blatantly NOT TRUE! Please stop commenting on this issue until you have your facts straight.
BTW, this is Free Republic, not DU. Are you sure you are on the right board??
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