Five centuries on, Martin Luther should be feted as hero of liberty and free speech

Theguardian.commartinluther ^ | 18 March 2017 | Pete Stanford

[11th_VA]

A man of his times ...

[2ndDivisionVet]

[11th_VA]

Lol !!! - love it, I’m using that

[2ndDivisionVet]

[ifinnegan]

Hard to believe the Guardian would publish this.

Oct 31 1517.

[Fiddlstix]

[The Cuban]

Yeah ask that to the peasants whose murder he advocated he was a tool of the Princes to gain power over the people and the emperor. Huge schmuck.

[grey_whiskers]

Neal Morse, The Door (Live)

[Unam Sanctam]

Of course the Reformation era Protestants like Luther et al., once ascendant throughout Northern Europe, were hardly proponents of religious toleration when it came to followers of the old religion, but viciously and cruelly outlawed Catholicism. Even when religious toleration became a thing with Locke and later the French Revolution, they didn’t want to give religious toleration to Catholics. The American revolutionaries were somewhat unique among the Enlightenment people in eschewing this anti-Catholic hypocrisy.

[Titus-Maximus]

The real issue for today, which the leftist writer will not mention, is where is the Islamic Martin Luther. Because that religion is still burning people at the stake and is screaming for reform.
I was shocked by the silence, intellectually fraudulent.

[JesusIsLord]

What Luther did in the 95 theses ... was to tap into a deep vein of alienation .... Luther struck a chord with a congregation that felt exploited and ignored: on the one hand, fleeced to pay for lavish basilicas in Rome ... and on the other, in the secular world, seeing the age-old ways on which their livelihoods depended overturned by the rise of a money economy.

Replace "congregation" with "Conservatives" and "Rome" with our "(local/state/fed) governments" - and you have a sense of what Germany's congregation of regular folk must have felt and why they embraced Luther.

[aumrl]

http://www.fiddlstix.net/smiley/good-post.gif

well, yes
a good post !

[bert]

I have argued differently.

Quietly, in cities in Asia, Africa, and the Mid East, there has been tremendous, even explosive growth and modernization. The urban dwellers have embraced this change and have adapted their lives and Islam to make it all fit together.

There was no Martin Luther. There was no Pope, no Vatican.

Along came Usama bin Laden who took up the task of Islamic counter reformation. He did not seek a new direction, he sought to destroy all the modernization, the intolerable change, the adaptation. Usama bin Ladin sought followers to force reversion to a fundamentalist Islam that had not existed for many years outside the primitive areas of Saudi Arabia.

He found followers. They go by Al Qaeda, Muslim Brother Hood and Daish. The counter reformation was not successful, even by force of conquering arms. The mass of modernized, evolved Islam rejected the counter reformation. .

[Luircin]

Learn your history.

He tried to make peace between the peasants and the princes, but the peasants refused to come to the table and continued to riot and burn. It was only then that Luther advocated for a violent response.

Stop spewing talking points.

[Rome2000]

Luther makes Hitler look like a piker when it comes to spreading evil,lies,death, and destruction.

[HereInTheHeartland]

“Luther makes Hitler look like a piker when it comes to spreading evil,lies,death, and destruction.”

You sound like an incredibly cheerful, sound minded person.

[Popman]

Luther makes Hitler look like a piker when it comes to spreading evil,lies,death, and destruction.

Godwins Law applies here...

[11th_VA]

Can’t we all just get along ...

[redgolum]

If you read the letters between Martin and Kati, I could see her doing just that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Back to Basics. Back to the Primitive Church Ummah. Sola Koran Scriptura. Tear down the statues and icons and all that polytheistic idolatry. Soli Allah Gloria.

What we don't realize is that, from their perspective, the radical Islamists *are* the Reformation.