Posted on 09/05/2017 9:36:38 PM PDT by Ken H
The University of Utah Hospital, where a nurse was manhandled and arrested by police as she protected the legal rights of a patient, has imposed new restrictions on law enforcement, including barring officers from patient-care areas and from direct contact with nurses.
Margaret Pearce, chief nursing officer for the University of Utah hospital system, said she was “appalled” by the obfficer’s actions and has already implemented changes in hospital protocol to avoid any repetition.
She said police will no longer be permitted in patient-care areas, such as the burn unit where Wubbels was the charge nurse on the day of the incident and from emergency rooms.
In addition, officers will have to deal with “house supervisors” instead of nurses when they have a request.
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My wife is a retired nurse. I don't know how many times she was pulled over, but the police always let her off. Usually they made comments about how nurses date cops or some other type of come on. I wonder if there wasn't some part in this display of stupidity where in the cop's mind he was impressing someone of the opposite sex in some way.
During my work with the police I saw plenty of stupidity on display, but they could probably say the same of firefighters. And some of the things that I saw nurses and doctors do made firefighters and police seem like absolute geniuses.
Why did that nurse have to make a big scene and get all hysterical about being detained? Would have been the same result. Females always do that hysteria crap when they’re in a tight spot.
Bingo! But we shall see......
I call BS on that. Have you been in ER lately? They got lots of big male nurse’s, EMTs, techs etc. They’ll be able to handle an assaultive patient just fine.
The police are the only reason an urban trauma center can operate. Patients, family members and even the original perps are all over the ER every time anything happens. Fights break out.
This nurse will get rich with her lawsuit but the rest of the staff will suffer.
It would be rare for LEO to assist with that situation. When that happens there are usually large male nurses, and others, along with security that handle that. For one it would take too long for LEO to get there.
They do train them to “take charge of the situation” as step one, and I have seen polite LEO being told they are letting people walk all over them when I didn’t see it that way. I see some LEO that can calm people right down and get things done, others can come into a calm situation and make chaos out of it, escalating the drama. Most are somewhere in the middle.
easternsky: What do we know about Margaret Pearce?
Me: She is chief nursing officer for the U of U hospital system. Which means she speaks for the nurses at the hospital.
easternsky: Sounds like a attitude with Police in general?
Me: An attitude that is probably quite common among the nurses at the hospital and across the country. You don’t seem to get what a backlash is brewing here. You do not want to piss off nurses and that’s exactly what these jerks in the police dept did.
Interesting case.
I don’t think it is an over-reaction at all.
Not only was the nurse assaulted by LEO, as it turns out he was ordered by his superior to do it. So it was not just one bad apple, there was at least two, possibly more. Remember this happened a month before the video was released. The reason the video was released by the nurse and her attorney is because the police department was doing nothing about what happened. After the video came out and so many were up in arms, the chief of that department and the mayor did a press conference where both of them said they had not seen the video until it became public. What?
All of the above, along with one of the LEO in the video saying they had been having “trouble” with that hospital for a while, so this had been brewing with LE when dealing with the hospital. Another very disturbing thing is even though what the nurse was showing LE was an agreement the hospital had with LE to cover blood draws by LE, neither one of those officers (the one that arrested her and his supervisor that berated her while she was in the police car) seemed to have any idea there was an agreement or what it meant. The officer that actually arrested her was an officer that often did blood draws and he was not up on the agreement and what it meant? All the other officers stood by while that officer assaulted the nurse. One said a few words while patting the officer on the back but no one made a move to calm the situation or stop the officer at some point. That is inexcusable! Sounds like they are lacking in training, dirty...something is going on with that department or at least that group of officers and it does not smell good!
If I was in charge of that hospital I would want LE from that department especially to stay away from my staff until they made some big changes. I would not feel that my staff was safe around them. The thing is I don’t think anyone is safe around them until they do a heavy house cleaning.
That police department had a month from the time the incident happened until the video was released to take actions to step up and do something- the fact that they did not is very telling. I think it was time for the hospital to take this step.
txnativegop: cops (some of them, especially) have a habit of retaliating in a number of ways, none of them pleasant.
These cops are not going to do squat, unless a nurse at U of U tells them to start doing calisthenics.
Nurse Alex Wubbel has captured the nation. Cops won’t dare pull any more monkey business with her. I believe the people of SLC would turn violent on them if that happened.
Its hard to be a gung ho fan of “law enforcement” that used to be called “peace officers” as the jailed Ammon Bundy reminds us in his jailhouse phone calls out.
I do think of January 26, 2016 with LaVoy Finicum’s body lying in the snow and all the shots fired at him and the others including Ryan Bundy who still has bullet fragments in his shoulder.
I have seen some crazy stuff happen in the ER, never have seen police other than hospital security/police get involved. Only time I have seen the city police do anything is when prisoners they brought in have acted out. I have seen fights break out in ER, it was handled by large men that work at the hospital and hospital security. The urban area ER I am familiar with has real security though, very professional looking and acting group. Nothing like the hospital police that were in that video. That hospital needs to revamp their police department and pay enough to get real effective officers in that hospital. The guys in that video are a waste of oxygen, really I am an old lady and I am pretty sure I could handle more than they could.
I like how the mayor and chief were shocked by the video.
It seems a slew of cops were not shocked. The other SLCPD on the scene went along. The university cops didn’t seem shocked. And how many cops saw that video before it got released to the public? Internal affairs certainly saw it. Possibly some of his buddies saw it too.
To me, that says system-wide corruption.
Given that it’s Salt Lake City, they may have already concluded that the cops involved *won’t* be significantly punished.
Illogical and irrelevant comment.
You're smart enough to be a cop.
Because she was being wrongly assaulted and arrested - and the university cops and security that *should* have been backing her up and protecting her were just standing around doing nothing?
That is what it says to me too. I am usually the first to defend LEO. I worked with LEO for 20 years, worked with nearly all great people- very, very few bad apples.
I hate to say it but that bunch on the video is bad news. What we have seen is there is not just one bad apple, there is at least one whole tree that is bad- if not most of the orchard.
No, no true at all. That’s a lie.
She was not being assaulted, she was NOT assaulted at all. She was being detained/arrested. She resisted arrest which is itself a crime.
If If IF...it is later determined that it was an unlawful arrest she has ample venues in which to press her case.
Her hysterics act was all for show. Typical hysterical female.
“Poor widdle babyyyyyy....is the big, bad man arresting you?”
She was acting like he was dragging her to the gas chamber...lol...Pathetic.
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