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Las Vegas shooter believed to have used hotel's freight elevator before attack
CBS ^ | 10.10.17 | staff

Posted on 10/10/2017 2:55:41 PM PDT by pissant

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To: WVNan

I saw the video of the visit. He was the man who was shot in the leg. He insisted that he had to stand up when the President came to visit. He was “over” acting. Said, “I “have” to stand for “my” president. He was too cheerful, too smiley and over eager. I could be wrong, but I have pretty good radar for “phony” people or “con artists”


I disagree. If I had been a patient and President Trump came to visit me, I would have stood up in the presence of my POTUS. It would have been my honor.


81 posted on 10/10/2017 8:10:54 PM PDT by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: rktman

I am sure the casinos have facial recognition software. They must. Heck, our local package store apparently has it. Okay, it is a very large store but according to someone who installed it, they have it.


82 posted on 10/10/2017 8:15:42 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: libertylover
It’s not so much as how he got it up there but that no one seemed to be suspicious of that much luggage...

I've checked into hotels with two or three full luggage carts full of jobsite equipment (mostly electronics) and have never once been questioned by hotel staff. I'm also seen radio/tv people check in with tons of AV equipment and never questioned. This hasn't been on the radar... until now.

83 posted on 10/10/2017 8:19:14 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: pissant

So far as I am concerned, there is the highest doubt that SCP is the shooter as this article and just about everyone else in the media seems to be assuming now. This is because of the doctored timeline that LE initially gave out placing SCP in the room after the outdoor shooting and shooting at Campos before shooting himself.

The doctored timeline could well have been used IMHO by LE to plant the notion that SCP was the shooter and was alone— i.e., a so-called “lone nut.”

Tucker Carson had some SS agent on this evening and both Tucker and the agent blissfully made the presumption that SCP was the shooter when there is no evidence that I am aware of that has been made public that SCP was even alive when Campos stumbled into the room.

The alternative scenario is that SCP is a patsy and was executed before or during the shootings. His body was placed in the room to provide a convenient story for the public to focus on while the trail of the real perps grows colder by the hour.

The patsy conjecture explains why there is a problem with the lack of motive. Under the patsy conjecture there is a lack of motive because SCP was in fact not the shooter.

What am I missing?


84 posted on 10/10/2017 8:49:26 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

the obvious. he sent his girl away and sent money. there was likely another or two involved though. he knew what he was getting into.


85 posted on 10/10/2017 8:52:04 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World)
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To: CJ Wolf

that is very thin circumstantial evidence upon which to hang a mass murder conviction. it would never imho hold in court.

all kinds of guys keep all kinds of asian women in asia happy by sending them money. especially in the philippines.

have you been living under a rock the last few decades?


86 posted on 10/10/2017 8:54:07 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: mass55th
I worked briefly at Oneida General Hospital back when the Garrow thing was going on....we used to get a lot of State Troopers into the ICU...every body was on edge...

one scary thing I remember about that time that somewhere north of Rome NY they saw somebody dragging a body behind a car....they eventually found the body but close by they found "extra' body parts....

scary times...

87 posted on 10/10/2017 8:58:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: SteveH

I’m sure all those guys enamored by Filipinos send them 100k right before they commit mass murder. everyday occurrence, you’re pretty convincing. to say he “wasn’t involved” is pretty uncircumcised evidence.


88 posted on 10/10/2017 9:01:31 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World)
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To: CJ Wolf

someone is being accused of mass murder.

actually someone is being tried, convicted and sentenced by the media of having performed a mass murder, but without an actual trial, an actual jury, and an actual conviction. the guy can’t defend himself because he is dead. then the official timeline— which before ruled out another shooter— is doctored to permit another shooter, but no one in the media stops assuming that the original guy is the perp.

See what happened?

now i don’t know what smells in your book, but in my book, that smells like intentional fraud.

now, in the USA nominally, a guy is innocent until proven guilty. So, technically, SCP is innocent.

It would be an exercise for the reader to go back and see just when the concept of SCP as a “suspect” was dropped by LE and the media. So far as I am aware, without a trial, he is at most a current suspect.

The SS guy on Tucker was arguing that the video clocks could have been significantly off which could have introduced an error into the LE timeline. But Tucker immediately shot that down, saying that a 12+ minute time error seems unlikely, even for a video recorder, and anyway Campos was presumably fully debriefed by LE and would presumably have told LE everything immediately after the incident, that is, arriving before shooting started, not afterwards.

The burden of the doctored timeline is upon LE.

The burden of all the false logical assumptions are on LE and the media.


89 posted on 10/10/2017 9:03:34 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: CJ Wolf

again it does not prove anything.

also there are no fingerprints on a wire transfer. Anyone could have done it.

and we are getting the wire transfer info from LE, the same source as the doctored timeline.


90 posted on 10/10/2017 9:05:32 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

so like most you don’t believe what they are telling you. fair enough, I don’t either, but this SOB was involved.


91 posted on 10/10/2017 9:06:41 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World)
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To: CJ Wolf

yah, you believe SCP was involved because LE and the media have greased the skids of your thought process to exclude the possibility that there might be more than one perp. See how it works? You have no clear logical reason to believe it but you believe it anyway and you believe it with vigor. That is exactly what doctored information is designed to do to you and many like you. Mission accomplished.


92 posted on 10/10/2017 9:12:21 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

should
I answer you here or on your new thread?


93 posted on 10/10/2017 9:13:22 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World)
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To: CJ Wolf

oh yah, you also think LE is lying to you but you still continue to believe them. Mission totally accomplished.


94 posted on 10/10/2017 9:13:45 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: CJ Wolf

I posted a new thread on it. in that thread I am interested in collecting all for and against LOGICAL arguments on the las vegas shooting patsy conjecture.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3593825/posts


95 posted on 10/10/2017 9:16:26 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

what do you have that tells you this guy wasn’t involved? I’m not saying there weren’t others, but this guy was definitely involved. He expected to escape and live under aliases as a bad ass like his dad.


96 posted on 10/10/2017 9:22:01 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World)
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To: cherry
The State Police Barracks Troop D is right down the street from Oneida Hospital. I'm not sure if the building was there when you were working at the hospital.

Your mentioning a body being dragged behind a car jogged my memory, so I did a search, and found this article about serial killer Bernard Hatch. I think this is the guy we both remember:

Hatch Convicted of One Murder, Suspected of Others

Here's an article that has photos of him from 2014:

‘Potato Hill killer’ denied parole 9th time

He's still doing time. Another article from July 2016 says his next parole hearing is in 2018.

97 posted on 10/10/2017 9:46:27 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: pissant

High roller recognition and generous tips will get a lot of perks at a casino. I had a friend whose job it was to “arranged things” for high rollers - suites/limos/cocaine/girls......he became a Christian and gave up a lucrative career ...


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