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Did Jesus Really Tell His Disciples to Buy Swords?
Townhall.com ^ | October 29, 2017 | Michael Brown

Posted on 10/29/2017 8:51:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 10/29/2017 8:51:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Ummm...yes. Yes he did!


2 posted on 10/29/2017 8:54:46 AM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Kaslin

But the point is, Jesus’s handpicked group had weapons on hand. I do not see this as a call to go out and acquire weapons (though most of us do that anyway) but it certainly throws ice water on pacifists.

As for his interpretation that Jesus needed some weapons around to shore up the charges against him, those charges were based upon his teachings and not his zealotry with armed insurrection.


3 posted on 10/29/2017 9:04:52 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: Kaslin
He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one...

Sounds to me like he was talking about Judas. "Let the one who betrayed me (and has the money to prove it) clear out of here. And he'd be wise to arm up on the way out."

4 posted on 10/29/2017 9:05:37 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Why pay to get lectured by Hollywood on how awful whiteness is when MSM does it for free?)
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To: Kaslin

Jesus was not anti-weapon. Weapons were used throughout the entire Bible for the defense of property, defense of person, defense of wealth. If God gives us something it’s obvious He wants us to defend it.


5 posted on 10/29/2017 9:08:23 AM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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To: Kaslin

Self defense always permitted ,but not required except by those who have duties like parents who have children to raise.

Defense of others always required if possible.

Jesus died for our good and salvation.. He said forgive them for they know not what they do.

And we should sacrifice ourselves for good of others as did Christ for their good and when they know not what they do.

We should defend ourselves otherwise else we are committing suicide or sought martyrdom which is sinful.

Maybe these thoughts are Scriptural enough.


6 posted on 10/29/2017 9:08:24 AM PDT by amihow
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To: Kaslin
This brings to mind a question, To what lengths should a Christian go to, to prevent the burning down of his/her place of worship? or physical property, religious or nonreligious own by the collector faithfully? In other words is it ever acceptable (from the scriptures) to ever righteously use violence to prevent the destruction of the physical?

It would be nice to hear Opinions, Scriptural and logician reasons removed from Emotions to support either points of view.

7 posted on 10/29/2017 9:14:26 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: RepRivFarm

Correct. (The Greek word translated “sword” is “machaira”, a single-edge weapon.) Peter even used his to slice off Malchus’ ear, which Jesus healed.


8 posted on 10/29/2017 9:16:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Kaslin

It was a figure of speech at the time. Jesus was just warning His disciples that they were about to become outlaws once they started preaching in His name.


9 posted on 10/29/2017 9:26:02 AM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: 2001convSVT

It’s pretty clear that “those who live by the sword shall die by the sword” and forgive 70 times 7” and “turn the other cheek” and “..”give them your sandals” suggest martyrdom NOT sought out isn’t a sin, but a grace in the eye’s of God.

But we’re human and we DONT want to die or see our loved ones die.

Jesus said a lot of times the glory was after this life.

IF we followed his word.

Killing and Jesus’ words don’t go together. Not even in self defense, it would SEEM.

But then give to Caesar..that could mean military conscription too. Which would probably afford one the opportunity to kill.

Maybe Jesus just wanted us to use common sense in any given situation :)

If someone says “denounce Christianity or i will chop off your head”, I would hope I didn’t denounce him even if it cost my my life.

If muslims are at my gates and want to kill me and rape my wife, I think Jesus would say “What are you nuts, not defending yourself and your family!?! Don’t take me so literally!!! :)

I’m likely way off but at least it might open up some discussion on how to interpret the pacifistic statements.


10 posted on 10/29/2017 9:57:50 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Kaslin
Who cares what some theologian said? I don't get my interpretation of God's word from a human. I get it from the Holy Spirit through prayer and consideration.

Theologians are like public toilets. You can find one practically anywhere, and they're almost always full of crap.

11 posted on 10/29/2017 9:59:23 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: WhatNot

The Bible (depending on the version you subscribe to) also tells us the battle (or battles ) with our enemies is going to happen. So in addition to personal weapons, we should also have Ranged weapons.

See 1 Samuel 17.

The story is one often quoted from Scripture.


12 posted on 10/29/2017 10:05:46 AM PDT by ASOC (If you're forced to give a man a fish, he eats one day. Deport him and you'll never feed him again.)
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To: Kaslin

To cut to the chase, Dr. Brown is saying you can’t be a Christian and a gun owner.
Although he (grudgingly) admits that maybe churches might have security, perhaps retired soldiers disqualified from serving, per their pious fellows, as deacons or elders due to their violent past.

Or he’s saying that the scripture cited says the opposite of what Jesus said ... because He was being ironic.
I suppose you must need a degree in theology to understand plain English, but I don’t recall from countless sermons and Sunday school lessons that Jesus was much of a stand-up comic.
This is as offensive as the Church 500 years ago opposed to a Bible in the `vulgate’ because then parishioners might start asking stupid questions. In so many words, he’s tinkling down our laymen legs.


13 posted on 10/29/2017 10:11:31 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Nehemiah. Nuff said.


14 posted on 10/29/2017 10:27:28 AM PDT by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: Kaslin
Others say that Jesus was simply telling them that the days ahead would be much more difficult than in the past, because of which they would need swords for self-defense. But if that was the case: 1) Why were two swords “enough”? 2) Why did Jesus rebuke Peter just a few minutes later for using his sword against the soldiers who came to take Him (Luke 22:49-51; Matt 26:51-52; John 18:10-11)? 3) Why didn’t the disciples use their swords to fight against their persecutors in the book of Acts?

Speaking of reading in context; the author is forgetting what follows the Garden of Gethsemane.

The apostles would be on the run or in hiding as hunted men. Every hand would be against them.

Jesus knew this. They would no longer be a unified group but on the run as individuals or pairs. Two swords would not be enough.

Why did Jesus rebuke Peter just a few minutes later for using his sword against the soldiers who came to take Him

Why was Peter rebuked?

First, it was necessary for the fulfilment of the prophecies for Jesus to be taken and crucified. Second, his followers must not be seen to be combatants of lawful authority.

However, in the coming days, Jesus followers would also be persecuted by the unlawful and would need to defend themselves from those who would prey upon those fleeing the authorities. Those living outside the law will be preyed upon by others living outside of the law and will need to defend themselves.

15 posted on 10/29/2017 10:30:07 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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Clearly. He troop was clearly armed most all of the time. Never enough for an offensive operation, merely enough to defend themselves. Yeshua did not let the guard down until the garden, when he voluntarily surrender, because it was time for that to occur.


16 posted on 10/29/2017 10:30:16 AM PDT by veracious (UN = OIC = Islam ; Democrats may change USAgov completely, just amend USConstitution)
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To: Kaslin

In never saw where the “turn the other cheek” dictat was for those who wanted to harm/kill you - it was pretty much a rehash of the Old Testament telling folks to treat the ass-hats with kindness as it would be akin to pouring hot coals over their heads.


17 posted on 10/29/2017 11:25:40 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kaslin

Context, context, context.

Weapons for protection are neither always O.K. nor always to be condemned. I believe the context of protection is where any judgment about them would be, the same as it is when we proclaim it is not the gun that kills someone.


18 posted on 10/29/2017 11:33:30 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: dp0622
Thanks for your well stated thoughts! Self interest vs rightness can be hard to discern. True defense of the weak is no sin, but what about defense of beliefs and property? If you were the last Christian on earth and in dieing Christianity would become extinct, should we resist and protect even property to prevent extinction?
19 posted on 10/29/2017 11:46:11 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: pcottraux

Maybe the Romans kept a gun registry, but not of swords...so swords was the smart way to go. “Be wise as serpents” and all that.


20 posted on 10/29/2017 12:04:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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