Posted on 11/11/2017 10:40:59 PM PST by EliRoom8
VESTAVIA HILLS, Alabama — Judge Roy Moore, the GOP nominee for the U.S. Senate here in Alabama, received a standing ovation from veterans and Republican supporters here at a public library at his first public event since the Washington Post smeared him earlier this week. Moore’s condemnation of the Post came towards the end of a nearly 30-minute rousing speech honoring veterans and standing up for the principles of the United States just outside Birmingham here on Saturday morning. “Now I want to address something that some people have come here to hear about,” Moore said in front 50 or so supporters, turning his attention to the giant pack of media who came to Alabama to report on this. “Shortly after becoming the Republican nominee for the United States Senate, the Washington Post began an attack on the Foundation for Moral Law, on my wife, and on me.
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Media’s chickens are comin’ home to roost . The media has lied to it’s followers for so long the viewers no longer put much faith in their ability to report the facts or plain truth . The boy who cried wolf syndrome .
Even if it were true believe about Moore ,,, which I don’t believe who’d believe the Mean Streak Media . So many false stories , dossiers , negative claims and just out right lies .
Chickens cackling no one listening .
Elvis Presley started dating his future wife, Priscilla, when she was 14.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Presley
I agree with you, same with me.
I agree. 25 years ago, in the back woods of East Texas... I was amazed at how common it was for 14 yr old girls to be married to much older men. Their parents would sign a consent and the deal was done.
SOUNDS like this sleaze ball female not only was a bernie supporter, drugged OUT, 3 times divorced, SERIAL SEX ABUSE ACCUSER OF PREACHERS http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/revealed-roy-moore-accuser-three-time-divorcee-filed-bankruptcy-multiple-times-claimed-several-pastors-made-sexual-advances/
1900’s...my 14 year old grandmother married a man 20 yrs her senior. Big family farm family, girls married earlier. They had 8 children 6 girls 2 boys, all the girls married from 16-19. Depression/post Depression era had a lot to do with it
No one mentions mohamad’s 6 yr old bride! Or all the other child brides of allah’s cult, Mormons do/did it too, still do, just not as blatant about it, more than 1 ‘sister’ wives.
Don’t know about long term relationships, but it is not uncommon for a guy of 30+ to be interested in sex with an 18 year old. Legal, too. “15 will get you 20” is the phrase to point out that she MUST be 16 in most states or else it become rape. Unless someone is both a pedophile AND a fool, they try hard to avoid anyone close to being below 16.
In the 60’s, 70’s.....in the South.....maybe not the norm, but not unusual.
For that matter, older men have dated younger women ....since forever....in every part of our country.
Loretta Lynn was 13 ish......her husband in his mid to late 20’s.....she is from Kentucky
This is all a tempest in a teapot!
Loretta Lynn was born in 1932 in Butcher Hollow, the daughter of a coal miner who had 8 children. Loretta Lynn was fortunate, and her 20-year old husband (7 year difference) worked out for her. However, I don’t think she is the standard bearer for Moore.
As I stated before, I have a lot of issues with the women making accusations, timing, etc. However, to defend Moore as a 30-something dating a teenager (legal or not), doesn’t help his cause. I think he would have been better served to apologize if he actually dated some girls in their teens.
My boys had some sort of equation they used regarding appropriateness. The older they got, the larger the age span could be. In no way did it work that a 30-something could date a teen.
I have a friend with a son in his 20s who married a 40-something woman. Love happens, and I am happy for your friend, and my friend’s son. However, most who were looking to date a teen (17, 18, whatever) when I was a teen in 70s were looking for something besides marriage...
I pushed the envelope dating a boy in college a few times while I was a junior in high school; and when he found out he was not going to be getting the “something else,” the dating ceased...
I think it’s a matter of culture and environment, what was acceptable dating practice.
I think back to a situation in the 1970s where a HS teacher in his late 20s proposed to and soon married a Senior on her graduation day. A HS classmate of mine married a 27 year old the February after our 1963 HS graduation....they’ve been happily married since.
I graduated in 1974 from high school, 1978 from college. I got my first degree with teaching credentials, and we were told in no uncertain terms to not get involved with students—even tho as student teachers, there was only a 4-5 year difference.
YOur teacher example is not unheard of, however, in my high school had a teacher gotten caught dating while student was in high school, they would be gone—and it happened in my high school too...
Again, as I have stated, the timing of this, the women themselves are suspect, but to justify his behavior as not unusual is not a winning strategy IMHO.
Sorry but although there are plenty of examples of “happily ever after” with large age spans, infrom thessuc
It is an issue that needs to addressed. What's next? Tearing down Graceland and destroying all Elvis records?
A quote from Mitt Romney today amounted to.....even though Roy Moore isn't accused of a crime, it's still an appropriate campaign issue! Yes, we do have to in an honest way say we cant' let these people with a globalist-anti Constitution agenda decide that things that were acceptable behavior in the past can be campaign issues today.
It’s cultural appropriation,
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Sorry, as a teen in the 70s, I lived through the times then—and I was not living in a convent either. Howver, it was not acceptable or normal in many circles...
It is not cultural appropriation for me to say so...It is not same as statues coming down... If he dated teenagers, supporters should not be defending it...he should be saying though perhaps legal, looking back, probably not smartest thing for a DA to do. Wonder the age span between his daughters’ ages and their husbands.
Sorry, though I question the timing, etc. to defend this as it was OK, just does not pass smell test for some of us.
“I will say again, legal does not make it appropriate...”
Legal means it is not TOO inappropriate. Frankly, my objection to what some of the guys I went TDY with wasn’t that they were interested in 18 year olds, but that they were married. I object to a guy cheating on his wife - adultery. Common, but long held as sinful.
But...John McCain married a woman 18 years his junior. Husbands 14-20 years older than their wives are far from rare.
Does it disqualify a guy from being a Senator? Consider Strom Thurmond. John McCain. Heck, consider what Clinton did in the Oval Office. That was FAR worse, imho. Vastly worse. But the same people calling for Roy Moore’s hide defended Clinton to the end. And Bill had legitimate rape accusations made against him, and a HABIT of behavior covering decades!
I don’t like Roy Moore. Had I been in Alabama, I’d have voted for his opponent in the primary. But Moore has all the right enemies.
AND I very strongly object to ANY consideration being made of accusations nearly 40 years after the supposed deed! Why? Because it is impossible to defend yourself!
Supreme Court Justic Douglas was 68 years old when he married a 22 year old student.
“I will say again, legal does not make it appropriate...”
Legal means it is not TOO inappropriate. Frankly, my objection to what some of the guys I went TDY with wasn’t that they were interested in 18 year olds, but that they were married. I object to a guy cheating on his wife - adultery. Common, but long held as sinful.
But...John McCain married a woman 18 years his junior. Husbands 14-20 years older than their wives are far from rare.
Does it disqualify a guy from being a Senator? Consider Strom Thurmond. John McCain. Heck, consider what Clinton did in the Oval Office. That was FAR worse, imho. Vastly worse. But the same people calling for Roy Moore’s hide defended Clinton to the end. And Bill had legitimate rape accusations made against him, and a HABIT of behavior covering decades!
I don’t like Roy Moore. Had I been in Alabama, I’d have voted for his opponent in the primary. But Moore has all the right enemies.
AND I very strongly object to ANY consideration being made of accusations nearly 40 years after the supposed deed! Why? Because it is impossible to defend yourself!
I just think it is creepy to defend him on this issue even if it was legal. He should have come out and said either he did not date them if they are making it up, or if he did he should state that at the time it was legal, but probably not wise. I don’t know when he got married, etc. but I suspect his wife was not 16, 17 or 18.
Your example...well Cindy McCain was 27 when she was married. Sorry that is different than dating someone who is 18 years older when she is 17 or 18...As I stated before, my boys actually were aware of some equation for age span and the older you get, the larger the span...In other words for example, as a 21-year old, it would be inappropriate to date a 16-year old. However, when you are 28, dating a 23-year old would be fine...
I am just saying in my suburban town where I grew up and was teen in mid 70s, it would not have been OK with anyone I knew to date a 30-something—it was pushing the envelope to go 4 years. It was not a matter of “not TOO appropriate” it was not appropriate, period.
I student-taught in a very small town in central IL, and it would not have been OK for me in my early 20s to date a student in high school.
I am not defending Clinton—no one here that is conflicted about this story is defending Clinton, but to put these examples out as justification is just wrong in my opinion.
Though I have said repeatedly that the timing on this is suspect as are the women’s motives, Moore has not denied the accusations that he dated older teens when he was in his 30s...he has denied the actions with the 14-year old, and since they are likely false, so he should. As you said, impossible for him to defend after 40 years.
I just think it is very unwise to defend what many consider to be inappropriate behavior ...or “ not TOO inappropriate” behavior as you put it...I have a hunch that a number of Freepers would be having a field day with this story if it was the democrat candidate facing accusations, and I highly doubt they woulds be defending his behavior as cultural mores.
“in my suburban town where I grew up and was teen in mid 70s, it would not have been OK with anyone I knew to date a 30-something—it was pushing the envelope to go 4 years”
Where I grew up - in the western US - 17 & 25 would not have been uncommon. 17 & 32 would have been uncommon, but not unheard of. While I was in the military, I knew of marriages between 18 year old brides with husbands in their 30s...mostly from the SE.
The accusations all involve dating, not casual sex. It wouldn’t have been “me”, but I wouldn’t consider is shocking. Or immoral. And it is totally legal.
From what I’ve read, when McCain got back to the USA, he “chased pussy”. And I doubt he cared about age, other than minimum age of consent. Bill Clinton? Involving work relations, and credible accusations of using force. Covered up by Hillary. Now the Clintons & their allies, and McCain and others, are attacking Moore.
I don’t like Moore, frankly. Never have. I thought he was in the wrong when he came to national prominence. But - he has the right enemies. Given the fight going on, that is good enough for me.
There are also no allegations of any impropriety within the last 30 years. If I thought he had a 30 year track record, I’d call him a pedophile. But pedophiles don’t go after younger women for a year or two, then quit. They never change. Moore shows no signs of being a pedophile.
Never said Moore was a pedophile.
Regarding military marriages, was that more common with enlisted men? Moore was a West Point grad and then a Law school grad.
Not sure where in West you grew up. My dad was from Nebraska...no way would kids aged 17 and 32 have been blessed for marriage in his book. I think 25 and 17 though perhaps less eyebrow raising would not have been encouraged or allowed in my circle. I had relatives in California, and in no way would they have gotten a parental blessing dating someone 32 when they are 17. Oh and my uncle, father of 3 girls went to Anapolis, and he would not have approved.
Only exception to any of this might have been if a teen got pregnant. Then shotgun marriage? That is just the way it was when I graduated high school in 1974 in IL.
I am beginning to think it was perhaps considered acceptable in SE rural areas, not so much in the more suburban areas of the Midwest where parents had college degrees, etc. However, as I said, Moore went to West Point, he was a lawyer and then DA...surprised that he would have been dating teens in his 30s...I would have thought it would be perceived as not a smart move then, and certainly not smart move now IMHO...
Again, not saying it would or should disqualify him, but I cannot defend it and say it was the norm as some have done here.
Don’t think we are going to change minds, so let’s agree to disagree.
I think some of this may boil down to certain demographics—gender, geographic location, and socioeconomic status.
For liberals, 15 years old is pushing over the hill.
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