Posted on 12/01/2017 11:09:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
all of this will come down to what happens during the 2018 elections..if the dems get enough in congress to first impeach and then remove from office then they will do it and it won’t matter why or on what grounds... also they will have to implicate Pence at the same time otherwise what will they have gained?
Napolitano is a moron. As entertaining as Dick Morris, and just as often wrong.
Andy McCarthy says 0 - 5 years. I think the judge is a little wound up.
No!
CROOKED MUELLER, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT U1? WEREN'T YOU HEAD OF THE FBI WHEN ILLEGAL SHENANIGANS WERE HAPPENING? WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT THOSE ACTIVITIES CROOKED MUELLER? WHY DID YOU NOT INFORM CONGRESS ABOUT THOSE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES
I am simply amazed at how many people run to MSM talking points without bothering to look up the actual law.
The “Logan Act” talking point was never mentioned until today, when the MSM brought it up as a red herring.
Read the elements of 18 U.S. Code § 953.
Cooperation with Russia AGAINST ISIS wouldn’t even be a technical violation of the law.
Moreover, one federal court has already ruled that the Constitutionality of the Logan Act (18 USCS § 953) is doubtful under Amendment 6 to the United States Constitution that an accused shall be informed of nature and cause of accusation since statute makes use of vague and indefinite terms, “defeat” and “measures.” Waldron v British Petroleum Co. (1964, SD NY) 231 F Supp 72, 8 FR Serv 2d 56F.1, Case 1.
The truth of the matter is that Trump firing Gen Flynn for comments to Pence was a huge mistake
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No, Flynn being in lots of dirty dealings was his own mistake. Had Trump kept Flynn aorund, Mueller would being going after other more serious charges
Absolutely not.
If Flynn just pleaded guilty for doing the exact same thing that brought about his firing, then this all helps vindicate the Trump administration.
Flynn’s credibility as a witness is completely destroyed now that he’s been convicted specifically for lying. To be trusted again he would need verifiable audio or video evidence that may not even be admissible.
The goal here isn’t a criminal conviction. It is to damage Trump politically. Paralyze his agenda and get him to not run again in 2020.
Benefit of doubt might suggest he meant to say ‘sixty MONTHS’, but he’s a dip so who knows?
The Russians agreed not to strike back (at a UN sanction) with their own sanctions the day after Flynn asked them not to. That was right before Christmas. That’s conspiracy to violate the Logan Act.
Obama directly flew to the Middle East to talk to foreign state leaders in 2008 only as a mere presidential candidate so he’s in “violation” of the Logan Act. The Logan Act is a joke.
No one has ever been convicted for a Logan Act violation in 220 years. Trump is not going to get convicted for this idiocy, especially as an incoming president not now not never.
It’s extremely unlikely Democrats would get near enough Senators in 2018 to impeach Trump even in the worst case scenario, though I agree that they would vote attempt to impeach him even if this Martha Stewart charge is the best Mueller’s got.
The dems don’t care if Trump violated any laws or not they want him out and if they win a majority in 2018 they just might do it...we should be focused on winning elections not this Russia distraction
Their original goal is to get Trump on collusion (conspiracy) with the Russians. If that fails then obstruction of justice for telling Comey to go easy on Flynn who was eventually charged. This is far from over, just hitting speed actually.
See British Petroleum Co, 231 F. Supp. 72, 89 (Dist. Court, SDNY 1964): “Another infirmity in defendants’ claim that plaintiff violated the Logan Act is the existence of a doubtful question with regard to the constitutionality of that statute under the Sixth Amendment. That doubt is engendered by the statute’s use of the vague and indefinite terms, “defeat” and “measures.” See United States v. Shackney, 333 F.2d 475, (2d Cir. 1964); Note, The Void-For-Vagueness Doctrine in the Supreme Court, 109 U.Pa.L.Rev. 67 (1960); E. Freund, The Use of Indefinite Terms in Statutes, 30 Yale L.J. 437 (1921). Neither of these words is an abstraction of common certainty or possesses a definite statutory or judicial definition.”
I’m not talking about anything involving ISIS. The Logan Act is the law of the land until it is revised or thrown out by the Supreme Court. Lower courts don’t stop prosecution under that act.
You can’t talk to any foreign power unless you are authorized. That means, sworn in, period.
How the hell did we get here? Well, it was predictable. We are here because Robert Mueller is, was and will continue to be the Deep State’s agent to affect a coup d’etat.
Someone answer me a simple question. Where the hell was the original probable cause to justify this investigation in the first place?
Now, in America, the new standard is this. Dig up some charge, any charge and bring it against your political enemy. Then, call for an investigation even though you don’t have any evidence “at this time.” Better yet, point to denials of wrongdoing as evidence of wrongdoing. Then, investigate and find the crime. Show me the man and I will show you the crime, Stalin used to say. Now, that is the new state of the law in the United States of America.
This was supposed to be about the phony charge of Trump colluding with Russia during the campaign to release e-mails harmful to Hillary Clinton. So we are now here where a member of the Trump transition team was asked to do what every transition team was asked to do before and will be in the future.
Flynn lied and was fired. He has now been charged for that lying because he lied to the FBI. Wonderful, a perjury trap.
But what is most enraging in this is the Mt. Everest criminal activity of those in the Deep State and those in the Clinton machine that will forever go unchallenged. Surveillance and unmasking of private citizens, big deal. A phony dossier, bought and paid for by a political party to justify using the levers of power to spy on the opposition, big deal. Selling a strategic asset for kickbacks, no big deal. I could go on and on.
This is akin to me witnessing a murder, the murderer getting in his car and speeding away. I run across the street to get the license plate number of the murderer. The police show up and arrest me for jay walking because they don’t like my political party. They have no interest in the license plate number because the murderer was a democrat.
This is the criminalization of the opposition. This is a declaration of civil war.
We should also be focused on helping get a special counsel to investigate Mueller et al for Uranium transfers to Russia etc.
Take you “Logan Act’ Act and,,,,,,,,,
There’s a section of Flynn’s plea deal that says:
“d) Your client acknowledges and understands that, during the course of the cooperation outlined in this Agreement, your client will be interviewed by law enforcement agents and/or Government attorneys. Your client waives any right to have counsel present during these interviews and agrees to meet with law enforcement agents and Government attorneys outside of the presence of counsel.”
Who agrees to meet with Mueller without counsel present?
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