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Video Shows Daniel Shaver Pleading for His Life Before Being Shot by Officer
New York Times ^ | Dec. 9 2018 | Vivian Wang

Posted on 12/10/2017 7:45:49 AM PST by WilliamIII

Newly released body camera footage shows a police officer shooting an unarmed man in an Arizona hotel after the man sobbed and pleaded with officers not to shoot him.

The graphic video, which was released after a jury on Thursday acquitted the officer of murder and manslaughter charges, stoked outrage on social media and renewed calls for reforms in law enforcement.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: danielshaver; donutwatch; leo; leooutofcontrol; philipbrailsford; shaver; shooting; simonsays
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To: ought-six

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/12/09/shooting-daniel-shaver-law-enforcement-perspective/


101 posted on 12/10/2017 11:08:11 AM PST by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Hugh the Scot

“We did this. By allowing police extra rights that every other citizen doesn’t possess.”

Funny, but I don’t recall voting for “allow police extra rights that every other citizen doesn’t possess”.

Nope. Never did.


102 posted on 12/10/2017 11:15:27 AM PST by Justa
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To: Az Joe

I dare you.


103 posted on 12/10/2017 11:19:59 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Justa

Did I say anything about voting?

Nope. Never did.


104 posted on 12/10/2017 11:22:01 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Az Joe

Excellent article.


105 posted on 12/10/2017 11:23:37 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Az Joe

Stupid article. The cops in this case were afraid of an imaginary gunman behind a door... OF COURSE the cops lie to protect their own.

This is just an opinion piece by someone who’s opinion is no more valuable than yours is.


106 posted on 12/10/2017 11:28:02 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Az Joe

Tell me this poor soul could not have been controlled and safely cuffed while he was lying prostrate on the floor with his arms extended. I don’t “hate cops”, but no profession gets away with blanket immunity. Just like the libs, one knows they have a valid argument when the ad hominems start flying. Put yourself in this poor man’s shoes - slightly inebriated, being screamed at and threatened with instant death, complying with the hands up and then prostrate orders; then having to try to crawl with his legs crossed while terrified and sobbing. Hope you or your family never have to be in his place.


107 posted on 12/10/2017 11:30:34 AM PST by nuvista (Making America Great Again - in spite of Dems, MSM, GOPe, globalists!)
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To: Hugh the Scot

But we do know that the jury knows a lot more about the case than you ever will and they think you’re a stupid ass. I don’t think you are but they do.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your cop hating.


108 posted on 12/10/2017 11:30:38 AM PST by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Az Joe

The jury was not allowed to see the video.


109 posted on 12/10/2017 11:31:55 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: KansasGirl

“Sad situation. The shooting victim appears to be cooperating to the best of his ability, IMO. He was clearly terrified and distraught, and given the officers confusing demands, I’m not surprised he messed up.”

To me the guy just acts like he’s given up and has no doubt he is about to get shot. Maybe instead of continuing to scream at an apparently terrified and confused person the cop could have de-escalated a little and possibly the guy would still be alive. I am a cop supporter but a bad shoot is a bad shoot and this one is bad.


112 posted on 12/10/2017 11:53:09 AM PST by suthener
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To: Az Joe
Cop hater

That was no cop, as the city of Mesa quickly determined before firing the sick son of a bitch.

114 posted on 12/10/2017 12:04:28 PM PST by montag813
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To: Hugh the Scot

I watched the video, and the cop that was giving the orders sounded like an effeminate punk - the kind of kid who gets bullied in high school and swears to get even one day.


115 posted on 12/10/2017 12:09:38 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: WilliamIII
In my hometown in Montana I have had sheriffs deputies draw guns on me twice. The first time was for trespassing when I was 5’ tall, still hadn't hit puberty, and looked like a 6th grader - and I was totally unarmed. I even got to look down the barrel as this idiot pointed it in my face.

The second time I had a gun drawn on me I was 21. An hour prior to being arrested I had judiciously left an outdoor kegger as the fat deputies struggled to climb the tall, wooded hill it was being held on. At least 10 minutes before these "athletes" could reach the hilltop a buddy and I took the opportunity to stroll down the other side and into the wilderness of rural Montana. An hour latter as we were crossing a rural road to get to his house we were spotlighted by a police car.

Knowing the drill I immediately put my hands up, knelt to the ground, and put my hands on my head. As they walked up to arrest us only one of the deputies had drawn his gun an I saw him point it at my friend. We were cited for disorderly conduct, a catch-all charge they use when they have no evidence. What really pissed me off about it was that my friend was a very good friend of the deputy's own son and knew the deputy personally.

Needless to say I filed a complaint which led to this gun-happy ass being fired. When I was making my taped statement directly to the sheriff of my county I said him at the end of it, “Would you pull a gun on one of your son's friends that you knew well? This guy is a nut who will shoot somebody for no reason someday.”

I also had the disorderly conduct charge dismissed with prejudice because I was smart enough to drop money on a lawyer. At the lawyer's office he asked me to read the citation out loud and then asked me if I had a Montana code book. I replied “No” and then he handed me a little blue Montana code book. He then told me to look up the disorderly conduct charge and to read it out load. He then asked “Does anything describing your actions in that citation match what constitutes disorderly conduct in that code book?” I replied “No” and he said “You're not guilty. When you go in front of that idiot Justice of the Peace I want you to ask her the very same question just like I did to you.”

When I went to hand back the little code book he laughed and said “Keep it. If you are going to a run around like an asshole getting arrested all of the time then you'll need your own.”

When I was in front of the Justice of the Peace and plead not guilty the JP was shocked. She asked how I could justify my plea and I did exactly as my lawyer had advised. The the look on the her face was priceless (I used to be her paperboy, that's how Mayberry that town was).

She stammered that I couldn't plead not guilty because I was at the kegger. I replied that the citation was not for being at the kegger, made no mention of the kegger, made no mention of drunkeness, occurred an hour after the kegger, and at a location at least 3 miles away from the kegger's location as detailed in a separate police report. I went on to say that she could find me guilty but then I would sue the county for false conviction and as well for intimidation because I had filed a formal complaint against the deputy. I went further by saying that she would look really stupid trying to defend her ruling when my actions listed in the citation bore no relation to those outlined in the code. Defeated she dismissed the charge with prejudice.

My only regret was not asking her if I would make better lawyer than I did a paperboy (I often overslept and delivered late).

That lawyer's fee was the best money I have ever spent.

116 posted on 12/10/2017 12:10:39 PM PST by WMarshal (John McCain is the turd in America's punch bowl. McLame cannot even fake an injury.)
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To: fr_freak

And the shooter looks like a fairy.

Brave new world...


117 posted on 12/10/2017 12:17:37 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: yldstrk
I cannot understand the jury’s verdict.

The jury didn't get to see the video.

118 posted on 12/10/2017 1:15:49 PM PST by Washi
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To: Az Joe
He reached for a gun, or that was a reasonable and necessary assumption by the cop, AFTER being told NUMEROUS times to obey and having to keep being reminded to comply with lawful orders. Of COURSE he was shot.

He didn't reach for a gun, and it wasn't a reasonable assumption. It didn't have to be an assumption at all if the cops "lawful" orders were logical and consistent.

They weren't.

Either his training sucked, or he completely forgot his training in a stressful situation. And it resulted in the horrific killing of scared, confused family guy.

It's disturbing to see you flippantly write off this guy's life in your blind support cops.

The cop messed up. The jury should have been allowed to see the video, and the cop should be doing time for AT LEAST manslaughter.

119 posted on 12/10/2017 1:41:43 PM PST by Washi
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To: Washi
The jury should have been allowed to see the video, and the cop should be doing time for AT LEAST manslaughter.

The jury wasn't allowed to see the video?

120 posted on 12/10/2017 1:48:43 PM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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