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Training Officers to Shoot First, and He Will Answer Questions Later
NY Times ^

Posted on 01/05/2018 10:45:05 AM PST by JP1201

WASHINGTON — The shooting looked bad. But that is when the professor is at his best. A black motorist, pulled to the side of the road for a turn-signal violation, had stuffed his hand into his pocket. The white officer yelled for him to take it out. When the driver started to comply, the officer shot him dead.

The driver was unarmed.

Taking the stand at a public inquest, William J. Lewinski, the psychology professor, explained that the officer had no choice but to act.

“In simple terms,” the district attorney in Portland, Ore., asked, “if I see the gun, I’m dead?”

“In simple terms, that’s it,” Dr. Lewinski replied.

When police officers shoot people under questionable circumstances, Dr. Lewinski is often there to defend their actions. Among the most influential voices on the subject, he has testified in or consulted in nearly 200 cases over the last decade or so and has helped justify countless shootings around the country.

His conclusions are consistent: The officer acted appropriately, even when shooting an unarmed person. Even when shooting someone in the back. Even when witness testimony, forensic evidence or video footage contradicts the officer’s story.

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; leo; shooting
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To: Mom MD
Great. So when someone is breaking into your house at 2 am who are you going to call?

The police would not get there in time. If I get an intruder at 2am, I would be having to deal with him myself.

61 posted on 01/05/2018 11:53:29 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: TalBlack

It was an honor to protect the community; a calling.

The height requirement in LA dropped to 5’0” over the years and right now . . . no height requirement at all!


62 posted on 01/05/2018 11:56:52 AM PST by donna ( Mayday (No More PC Lectures) www.balintvazsonyi.org/other/mayday.html)
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To: fr_freak

This one is just another rabid badge-licker, do not waste your time.


63 posted on 01/05/2018 12:00:11 PM PST by doorgunner69 (No video seems to happen a lot when they shoot somebody..........)
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To: WayneS
The case described in the opening of the story is one in which a police officer told a motorist to remove his hand from his pocket and them shot him when he complied.

Cop would have done better to

1) Told the motorist to not move when he reached in his pocket.

2) Cop moves back so that he is not easily targetable.

3) Cop tells the motorist, "Now, slowly, I want to see your empty hands out the window of the car."

64 posted on 01/05/2018 12:00:23 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The job was a MANs job. The first thing that went when women were imposed on the male environment was standards and merit. The reason that men maintained these standards was because they had a sense of responsibility. After all there is no one to do the job if men fail. Well there is no more merit. No more standards and precious little responsibility, as these events demonstrate. A cop doing ANY of these things 50 yrs ago went to jail.


65 posted on 01/05/2018 12:04:18 PM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: DoodleDawg
Cops don’t have that benefit. So then they should view everyone as their enemy?

It is getting close to the point that much of the public is starting to view cops that way.

66 posted on 01/05/2018 12:05:58 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: Wolfie
I’m only saying that the “cops can kill with impunity” paradigm will inevitably lead to more cop deaths.

If a cop is injured on the job, the township can potentially face $millions in workman's comp and other expenses. If a cop shoots a civilian, the police department's budget is not affected.

One solution would be, if there's an unjustified killing, one byproduct is the police pension fund loses a few million $$$. Training and ROE would change quickly.

67 posted on 01/05/2018 12:07:03 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: TalBlack
A cop doing ANY of these things 50 yrs ago went to jail.

How do you know they weren't doing them 50 years ago?

68 posted on 01/05/2018 12:08:43 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: rey
Cops shouldn’t have a looser ROE than the military.

I agree and apparently so does Pres. Trump who has loosened the ROE for the military.

69 posted on 01/05/2018 12:10:33 PM PST by Tom in SFCA
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To: DoodleDawg
There was a lady in Minneapolis who heard a noise and called the police...and now she's dead. What now?

Call this Lewinsky clown, he will make sure it is seen the woman posed a deadly threat as to make the killing a righteous one.

70 posted on 01/05/2018 12:10:49 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: Lurker; sagar

Just ask that Australian girl in Minneapolis how asking the police for help went. Oh, that’s right, a cop shot her in cold blood.

Nevermind.


71 posted on 01/05/2018 12:13:08 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Mom MD
So when someone is breaking into your house at 2 am who are you going to call?

I'm going to dial 1911.

When there is a threat to your life, YOU are the first responder.

YOU.

Not somebody in a uniform miles away.

YOU.

Are YOU prepared?

72 posted on 01/05/2018 12:17:33 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: donna
In war time, you know who the enemy is.

BWAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha!!! I bet you actually believe that ...

Cops don’t have that benefit.

Their "enemy" is most certainly NOT "We, the People". If they can't figure that out, they need to take off their uniforms, turn in their badges, and find another line of work.

They work for US. Deal with it.

73 posted on 01/05/2018 12:20:28 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: discostu
If he is not a murderer, then he is way to jumpy and panicky to be an effective police officer.

I honestly think most police shootings of unarmed citizens are tragic accidents. But the overwhelming majority of those tragic accidents are avoidable if officers are properly trained in how to actually deal with people, not just bark orders and then go in to a blind panic when things don't go as expected.

An police officer who is prone to panicking is not a good police officer.

74 posted on 01/05/2018 12:25:31 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: DoodleDawg

Uh...because they couldnt. MEN would become outraged and disgusted by their pussy tendencies and deal with them approiately. I don’t know how old you are but ONCE, a cop killing without CAUSE was up shit creek.


75 posted on 01/05/2018 12:26:17 PM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: TalBlack
I don’t know how old you are but ONCE, a cop killing without CAUSE was up shit creek.

Only when caught.

76 posted on 01/05/2018 12:32:38 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Wolfie
I was in fear for my life, and I shot him.

I say in all seriousness that that is already too much. Wait for your lawyer to tell you that it's ok to say that you shot a guy.

I recall a thread here on FR earlier this year where an employee in a gun shop (Houston?) shot an armed robber dead. He called 911 and said something like he had discharged his weapon within the Houston city limits, not that he had shot somebody.

77 posted on 01/05/2018 12:34:00 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yeah, but THAT is another story.


78 posted on 01/05/2018 12:58:16 PM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: zeugma

FYI...another one.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3619813/posts?page=1


79 posted on 01/05/2018 1:06:25 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Mom MD

“Police are not perfect but I doubt any of the keyboard warriors here would do their job no matter what the pay.”

I am not a plumber or a trash man either but I also don’t want people doing those jobs shooting people with little to no provocation.

Oh hey, not wanting to get MURDERD by someone in a uniform must make me a cop hater.


80 posted on 01/05/2018 1:17:16 PM PST by TalonDJ
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