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The flu can kill tens of millions of people. In 1918, that’s exactly what it did
washingtonpost.com ^ | 1/26/2018 | Ashley Halsey III

Posted on 01/30/2018 10:14:37 AM PST by rktman

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The closest we’ve come to Stephen King’s Captain Trips flu virus in his fictional, “The Stand.”

Historical accounts are chilling. Entire families wiped out, children orphaned as young healthy adults were were the prime target that hit in the flu’s deadly second wave. The flu apparently caused a cytokine storm among young healthy people. The result was that flu stricken patients would die in a matter of hours or days from pulmonary consolidation and subsequently to multiple organ failure.

Although this year’s H3N2 is not the same beast, as an RN in a progressive care unit at a VA hospital I witnessed an older vet go into sudden respiratory failure from the flu. He was talking to us as we admitted him, several hours later he was flailing around in bed, unable to breathe, lung sounds were minimal. He had to be intubated and moved to ICU on a ventilator. Chest xrays showed total white where his lung fields were. Scary stuff.


61 posted on 01/30/2018 1:29:01 PM PST by BluegrassCardinal
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To: Qiviut

Zinc supplements work for me. Immunity boosters work. Umcka works.

I suggest taking all 3 proactively, long before your body is at war with a virus such as the flu.

Hand sanitizer used regularly, as well.


62 posted on 01/30/2018 1:30:47 PM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Article10

I just watched that documentary the other night.

Very sad stories from the survivors. I particularly remember the older gentlemen who recalled losing almost all of his childhood friends during the second wave, which hit in October and caused daily deaths by the hundreds in major urban areas.

I also took note of the question, why does history tend to gloss over the pandemic, or even forget it? The answer, and the one that I subscribe to, is that the pandemic was so frightful and tragic that people wanted to forget about it and move on.


63 posted on 01/30/2018 1:33:27 PM PST by BluegrassCardinal
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To: Article10

My parents were born in 1915. They were obviously just barely old enough to remember those times, and I never really spoke with them about it much. I’ve read a lot of material on it within the past decade or so. As I’ve posted here before it’s morbidly fascinating because it was like a real life zombie apocalypse. Literally calling to “bring out your dead” like in the Middle Ages.

It’s amazing how few know of it today. I think there was so much misery between WWI and the pandemic it became something of a taboo subject during the heady days of the Roaring Twenties.


64 posted on 01/30/2018 1:53:59 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BluegrassCardinal

I believe it’s Human Nature to run from the evil when confronted with it. Look at the world post World War II. Going into Korea nobody wanted another War because it’s horrible. I think the pandemic and the actual results of World War 1 just made the world want to forget what just happened


65 posted on 01/30/2018 1:58:24 PM PST by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

The medical community is definitely studying it because it was so devastating. When I was a young teen we had a neighbor who was in his 90s and a World War 1 veteran. He went to Canada and joined the British Army in 1916 and was home by 1917 due to injuries. When he spoke the one time about the flu, he mentioned stacks of Coffins on street corners for weeks on end in Brooklyn New York. I do remember he had the thousand yard stare when speaking of the flu. It really was something he did not want to talk about.


66 posted on 01/30/2018 2:08:19 PM PST by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: logi_cal869
Never included in these discussions on the 1918 flu was the abominable state of public health at the time.

But influenza is a virus and is not caused by dirty drinking water or lack of sanitation such as cholera and typhoid which are caused by a bacteria.

67 posted on 01/30/2018 2:09:13 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: rktman

Same here.


68 posted on 01/30/2018 2:12:05 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: rktman

My wife and I both currently have the flu (she was tested, and came up negative!). She’s on Tamiflu, I started it Friday night, so I’ve just been toughing it out. This is a really nasty strain- I’ve never had anything take me out of action like this.


69 posted on 01/30/2018 2:14:27 PM PST by TexasBarak (I aim to misbehave!)
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To: TexasBarak

Hope you are feeling better soon! I mentioned I was an RN. I have never seen this many flu positive cases. At one point last week, a quarter of our unit were droplet precautions rooms for flu patients. Most of the patients I’ve taken care of feel next to death. I had one guy that broke down crying because of the pain and the energy it took just to get to a bedside chair. Fortunately, almost all have recovered, a couple have required a ventilator and a stay on the ICU.

Tamiflu works ok, but it seems like you literally have to take at the very initial onset of symptoms to obtain any benefit.


70 posted on 01/30/2018 2:43:15 PM PST by BluegrassCardinal
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To: TexasBarak

Get better soon u guys.


71 posted on 01/30/2018 2:55:06 PM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Stating the obvious. Regardless, immune system strength is a factor.

This plays into the current state of things as well, as the CDC admits that influenza “can create or exacerbate other health factors.” This is a problem in industrialized nations.


72 posted on 01/30/2018 3:06:18 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: AppyPappy

“The reason for not getting the vaccine is because you want to take your chances with getting the flu.”

That may be your thought, but it isn’t mine. There are chances of the flu either way. To me, the question resides on the other side of the coin.

“The chances of you getting harmed by the flu are much higher than the chances of the vaccine hurting you. “

That depends entirely on how you define “hurting.”

Best.


73 posted on 01/30/2018 3:17:55 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: colorado tanker
Yeah, it's a must. I should get the pneumonia shot as well.

74 posted on 01/30/2018 4:52:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Karliner
No--H3N2 was and is in this shot, and that is the flu A that is circulating. That same strain got me when I was a sophomore in medical school in 1968 and was known as the Hong Kong flu. I missed three days of school that week, the only absences I had in med school. I was really sick.

The Spanish Flu in 1918 was H1N1. There didn't seem to have been previous flu epidemics, and some serious scientists believe that it came from outer space (literally). That would also explain the high mortality rate since people had no immunity to this exovirus.

75 posted on 01/30/2018 9:00:36 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: rktman

That’s right, that’s totally right and like Trumps dad or something like that was in on it totally.


76 posted on 01/30/2018 10:22:56 PM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Pharmboy

Okay I’m a retired nurse. I just was told what I had a few years back was H1N1virus I believe 2009. So this injection is H1N1 and H3N1? I haven’t heard a name for this virus except some believe it’s the norovirus yet that virus lasts only a day or two and gastrointestinal.
Dang those scientists from Planet-X- Nibiru...I bet they are the same ones making the chem trails? I remember the HK flu, all my brothers and sisters and myself appeared to get the flu or measles, mumps, chickenpox, some deal every danged year!


77 posted on 01/30/2018 10:47:45 PM PST by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: Karliner

There is a stomach virus going around. The “flu” would have you down for a week.


78 posted on 01/31/2018 2:22:10 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The flu kills about 10,000-20,000 people a year.
The vaccine does not.


79 posted on 01/31/2018 5:38:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy

“The flu kills about 10,000-20,000 people a year.
The vaccine does not.”

Yes, but the other side of the coin, which you do not see, is about more than death.

Have you ever seen a coin so thin, that it only has one side? I haven’t.

Wisdom asks what is on the other side.


80 posted on 01/31/2018 5:42:49 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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