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perhaps too early, just looking at possibilities.
1 posted on 03/16/2018 3:59:12 AM PDT by csvset
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If stress testing being conducted, why would the road be open, with vehicles stopped directly under the bridge? Doesn’t make sense.


2 posted on 03/16/2018 4:05:54 AM PDT by nickedknack
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Doing a stress test, which might cause overstress, while cars and people underneath? Incompetence.

I read that they were also maybe adjusting cables that were slack, suggesting the bridge was shifting or changing?

I read a bit ago that Little Rubio is out defending the Munilla family that built the deadly bridge. How much money (and bribes) did he get?

Should the state now rush out and ban murderous walk bridges? Maybe ban construction and bridge associations? Hey, is Munilla family company a member of some racist chamber of commerce or other group? Maybe ban them.

3 posted on 03/16/2018 4:06:23 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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My guess is it was due to substandard materials that were tested beyond their capacity, lead to load failure and collapse.

A high quality bridge should have been able to withstand the stress test and perform to rated limits and beyond.

I don’t think it was an accident; it was a feature.


4 posted on 03/16/2018 4:06:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forevero)
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Verrastro, an expert in accelerated construction who has spoken at FIU’s bridge engineering program, suspects that using concrete was part of the bridge’s aesthetic, rather than structural, design.

The uni had made it clear that it wanted something pretty. Qs: Is concrete cheaper than steel? And if federal funds were used to pay for this thing, why didn't the feds have a cow about the design?

6 posted on 03/16/2018 4:09:17 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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My first thought Chinese steel. Probably not the case.


7 posted on 03/16/2018 4:13:58 AM PDT by duckman ( Not tired of winning!)
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Chinese concrete?


9 posted on 03/16/2018 4:17:30 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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Did the order to bring it down come from McCAbe,
Clinton, Obama, Clowns, Hogg, Ohr or Strzok?


11 posted on 03/16/2018 4:20:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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Should have been made out of US steel.


12 posted on 03/16/2018 4:20:49 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best)
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The bridge should have been strong enough to handle a full load of drunken college students, jumping up and down to see what happens.


14 posted on 03/16/2018 4:26:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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The bridge was to be a “cable stayed” design. Look at the collapse pictures and you can see the bolts where the support cables were to attach coming down from a tower not yet erected. They were pulling “post tension” cables that run through the concrete at the time of the collapse. The cable pulling apparatus can be seen in the photos. These companies (the designers and builders) F-ed up big time and it isn’t the first or even the second collapse they have had during construction of a bridge such as this.


15 posted on 03/16/2018 4:29:34 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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I was designing special effects for a theme park. An engineer was adding a themed fiberglass panel to a door with 1 inch bolts all over the place. So I asked him why, he told me it was what the engineering calcs software called for.
I told him that a trailer hitch has one 5/8 bolt.


17 posted on 03/16/2018 4:31:47 AM PDT by Haddit (Minimalists Al Gore and Al Qaeda)
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I watched a documentary on the building of the Millau Viaduct in France and was awestruck at the engineering, planning and building of that structure.

The deck itself is 890 ft. above the ground and one of the masts is 1,125 ft above the base.

18 posted on 03/16/2018 4:34:11 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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The bridge’s superstructure was something Verrastro said he’s not seen in 42 years of designing bridges. Rather than using steel trusses, it employed heavier concrete trusses. The bridge also had a concrete roof, adding even more weight.

I'm not an engineer, but I hadn't seen much like it either. When I first saw photos of the collapsed bridge along with the renderings of that it would look like when completed, I concluded that the architects/engineers had attempted to make a concrete beam with the wrong proportions... this based on what I have read of Victorian cast iron beam designs and modes of failure.

Maybe the schools stopped teaching about empirical dead white guy engineering and the school of hard knocks vis-a-vis brittle materials and tension/compression (Dee Bridge, etc).

20 posted on 03/16/2018 4:34:58 AM PDT by niteowl77
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I’m going to take an early guess and figure it’s a combination of poor or degraded material and poor workmanship


26 posted on 03/16/2018 4:43:28 AM PDT by Fhios (Mr. Magoo, where are you?)
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“Let’s wait until cars are stopped right beneath the bridge before we perform the stress test.”


27 posted on 03/16/2018 4:44:29 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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A local media outlet reported last night that there was at least one employee of FDOT on site at the time of the accident.

What did FDOT know and what did it approve /sign off on?


28 posted on 03/16/2018 4:47:37 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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It was stressed, all right. Was the concrete inferior, too, or just the design?


30 posted on 03/16/2018 4:49:09 AM PDT by GnuThere
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“perhaps too early, just looking at possibilities.”

It took months for the roadside build of the now-failed span.

Wondering here if any delays or errors that could have resulted from Hurricane Irma may have contributed to the failure.


36 posted on 03/16/2018 4:53:45 AM PDT by Stalwart
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Don't forget about 'Galloping Gertie".


38 posted on 03/16/2018 4:56:23 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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As several of the earlier commenters have noted, a whole lot of designer hubris as well as Florian political ignorance is evident. The designer was trying to make a “technological statement”

Obviously if a center bent had been used the bridge would have been much cheaper and several people still alive today!

This was the wrong project to experiment with “prestessed concrete truss bridge superstructures!

39 posted on 03/16/2018 4:59:16 AM PDT by texican01
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